Received: from webgate.proteosys.de (mail.proteosys-ag.com [62.225.9.49]) by lucy.proteosys (8.11.0/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id f1CEo5919694 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:50:05 +0100 Received: by webgate.proteosys.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1CEo4d29537 . for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:50:04 +0100 Received: from mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailserver1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.30]) by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1CEo4M14293 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:50:04 +0100 (MET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C09503.15D38C80" Received: from mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.56]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20964 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:50:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (mail.listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.5]) by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1CEo2M14287 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:50:02 +0100 (MET) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.5) by mail.listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <13.E8E70D5C@mail.listserv.gmd.de>; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:49:56 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 488488 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:49:59 +0100 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09216 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:49:57 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA17700 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:49:58 +0100 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1CEnwu26283 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:49:58 +0100 (MET) Received: from fell.open.ac.uk by venus.open.ac.uk via SMTP Local (Mailer 3.1) with ESMTP; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:49:57 +0000 Received: (from car2@localhost) by fell.open.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id OAA19186; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:50:12 GMT In-Reply-To: <200102121209.MAA18566@nag.co.uk> References: <200102121209.MAA18566@nag.co.uk> Return-Path: X-Mailer: VM 6.76 under Emacs 20.7.1 X-Authentication-Warning: fell.open.ac.uk: car2 set sender to car2@fell.open.ac.uk using -f Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: LaTeX's internal char prepresentation (UTF8 or Unicode?) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:50:11 +0100 Message-ID: <14983.63523.795131.682469@fell.open.ac.uk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Chris Rowley" Sender: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" To: "Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L" Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3848 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09503.15D38C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David wrote -- lots of relevant and wise things, inluding: > LaTeX needs a stable base (probably more stable than John and Yannis > can provide, as they understandably need to experiment with features = as > they push Omega further in the direction they want to go) and even if > Omega was completely stable, one would have to consider whether it is > time to try to move the majority of latex users off tex-the-program. Quite true _but_, equally: Omega (and, I hypothesise, any TeX-derived automated typesetting system) needs something `on top' that is functionally similar to LaTeX. The larger group of omega developers needs this LaTeX-layer yesterday and, as I undertand it, that is a major reason why these issues are being raised here and now. They cannot delay so as to get it right. > (including latex maintainers:-) I assume that the irony here is the implication that this set of people may be nonempty? chris ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09503.15D38C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: LaTeX's internal char prepresentation (UTF8 or = Unicode?)

David wrote --

lots of relevant and wise things, inluding:

> LaTeX needs a stable base (probably more stable = than John and Yannis
> can provide, as they understandably need to = experiment with features as
> they push Omega further in the direction they = want to go) and even if
> Omega was completely stable, one would have to = consider whether it is
> time to try to move the majority of latex users = off tex-the-program.

Quite true _but_, equally:

Omega (and, I hypothesise, any TeX-derived automated = typesetting
system) needs something `on top' that is functionally = similar to LaTeX.

The larger group of omega developers needs this = LaTeX-layer yesterday
and, as I undertand it, that is a major reason why = these issues are
being raised here and now.  They cannot delay so = as to get it right.

> (including latex maintainers:-)

I assume that the irony here is the implication that = this set of
people may be nonempty?


chris

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