Received: from webgate.proteosys.de (mail.proteosys-ag.com [62.225.9.49]) by lucy.proteosys (8.11.0/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id f1CAKL915205 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:20:21 +0100 Received: by webgate.proteosys.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1CAKKd28694 . for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:20:20 +0100 Received: from mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailserver1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.30]) by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1CAKFM19214 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:20:15 +0100 (MET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C094DD.67692080" Received: from mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.57]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08484 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:20:14 +0100 (MET) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (mail.listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.5]) by mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1CAKD700809 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:20:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.5) by mail.listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <12.3796ACAB@mail.listserv.gmd.de>; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:20:07 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 487943 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:20:10 +0100 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03621 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:20:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA31474 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:20:08 +0100 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.180]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1CAK5u23949 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:20:05 +0100 (MET) Received: from heraldgate2.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.50] helo=frontend2.herald.ox.ac.uk ident=exim) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 14SG5U-00050N-00 for LATEX-L@urz.uni-heidelberg.de; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:20:04 +0000 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17]) by frontend2.herald.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 14SG5U-00032W-00 for LATEX-L@URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:20:04 +0000 In-Reply-To: <14983.2022.587938.334186@istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de> References: <14982.58110.488910.461010@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <14982.45082.150652.74719@istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de> <14982.51989.349221.285820@istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de> <14982.52380.897443.588837@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <14982.53422.402117.63648@istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de> <14983.2022.587938.334186@istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de> Return-Path: X-Mailer: VM 6.86 under Emacs 20.7.2 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: LaTeX's internal char prepresentation (UTF8 or Unicode?) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:17:46 +0100 Message-ID: <14983.47178.155759.245619@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Sebastian Rahtz" Sender: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" To: "Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L" Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3840 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C094DD.67692080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Frank Mittelbach writes: > Hans, > > > Meta reasoning from the impression of TeX I get, developed as a = series > > smart, but quick features lacking true generality and depth, I = surmise that > > that's a bold statement from you, given that TeX though being more = than 20 > years old has still to find a opponent program that can produce even = equal > quality in its domain. people keep trotting this statement out, but it is like saying that Inuit men have the cleanest foreskins of any racial group on the planet. it is (possibly) true, but it has no practical meaning. TeX, per se, failed in its attempt to take over the world. Don's algorithms can/will/do appear in future programs, unto the n'th generation, but thats another matter. It might amuse people to know that all but one of the major implementations of XSL formatting objects now use the TeX hyphenation algorithm, and hyphenation patterns. Now that's what I call Knuth's legacy.... Sebastian ------_=_NextPart_001_01C094DD.67692080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: LaTeX's internal char prepresentation (UTF8 or = Unicode?)

Frank Mittelbach writes:
 > Hans,
 >
 >  > Meta reasoning from the = impression of TeX I get, developed as a series
 >  > smart, but quick features = lacking true generality and depth, I surmise that
 >
 > that's a bold statement from you, given = that TeX though being more than 20
 > years old has still to find a opponent = program that can produce even equal
 > quality in its domain.

people keep trotting this statement out, but it is = like saying that
Inuit men have the cleanest foreskins of any racial = group on the
planet. it is (possibly) true, but it has no = practical meaning. TeX,
per se, failed in its attempt to take over the world. = Don's algorithms
can/will/do appear in future programs, unto the n'th = generation, but
thats another matter.

It might amuse people to know that all but one of the = major
implementations of XSL formatting objects now use the = TeX hyphenation
algorithm, and hyphenation patterns. Now that's what = I call Knuth's
legacy....


Sebastian

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