Received: from webgate.proteosys.de (mail.proteosys-ag.com [62.225.9.49]) by lucy.proteosys (8.11.0/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id f1BMVFH12454 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:31:15 +0100 Received: by webgate.proteosys.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1BMVEd26637 . for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:31:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0947A.5804BB80" Received: from mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailserver1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.30]) by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1BMV9M18968 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:31:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.56]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07772 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:31:09 +0100 (MET) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (mail.listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.5]) by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1BMV8M18964 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:31:08 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.5) by mail.listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <2.289BF7AD@mail.listserv.gmd.de>; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:31:01 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 487887 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:27:31 +0100 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA28377 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:27:29 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA16598 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:27:30 +0100 Received: from obelix.ee.duth.gr (asterix.ee.duth.gr [193.92.243.98]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1BMRTu13233 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:27:29 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (apostolo@localhost) by obelix.ee.duth.gr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA26534 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 00:35:02 +0200 (EET) In-Reply-To: <14982.63947.413495.813392@istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de> Return-Path: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: hyphenation morass Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:35:02 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Apostolos Syropoulos" Sender: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" To: "Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L" Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3832 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0947A.5804BB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Frank Mittelbach wrote: > Apostolos, > > > Unicode M$Word.) Omega clearly solves this problem the "expected" = way. > > And yes there more "exotic" cases where TeX can't be of any help at = all. > > i don't deny you that, and yet Omega hasn't taken over the world. what = i'm > trying to convey is that there are a lot of factors that you have to = take into > account to make something successful; one of it is that you have to = package > your product in the right way. That's true!!! The Omega people have to do many things. For example = Omega needs something like an OmegaBook in order to let others get involved and produce packages, etc. > so yes, i'm very much interested in getting structures right that can = be > deployed successfully on Omega, say, to solve problems like you have = with your > language and others have with other languages, but that in itself = doesn't make > others switch to use an Omega based format which doesn't run on their = site > environment or for which they need to work to make it run. If people start working with Omega, then eventually I believe people = will switch to it. However, I believe that Omega must be further developed: it must be able to work with OpenType fonts and be able to produce PDF output. This way we will get a "universal" system and there will substitute pdfTeX, e-TeX, etc. Of course this means that many people have to work hard, but that something many people are afraid of:-) A.S. **************************************************************** *Apostolos Syropoulos * *snail mail: 366, 28th October Str., GR-671 00 Xanthi, HELLAS * *email : apostolo@ocean1.ee.duth.gr * *phone num.: +30-(0)541-28704 * *home page : http://obelix.ee.duth.gr/~apostolo * **************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0947A.5804BB80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: hyphenation morass

On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Frank Mittelbach wrote:

> Apostolos,
>
>  > Unicode M$Word.) Omega clearly solves = this problem the "expected" way.
>  > And yes there more "exotic" = cases where TeX can't be of any help at all.
>
> i don't deny you that, and yet Omega hasn't = taken over the world. what i'm
> trying to convey is that there are a lot of = factors that you have to take into
> account to make something successful; one of it = is that you have to package
> your product in the right way.

That's true!!! The Omega people have to do many = things. For example Omega
needs something like an OmegaBook in order to let = others get involved
and produce packages, etc.

> so yes, i'm very much interested in getting = structures right that can be
> deployed successfully on Omega, say, to solve = problems like you have with your
> language and others have with other languages, = but that in itself doesn't make
> others switch to use an Omega based format which = doesn't run on their site
> environment or for which they need to work to = make it run.

If people start working with Omega, then eventually I = believe people will
switch to it. However, I believe that Omega must be = further developed:
it must be able to work with OpenType fonts and be = able to produce PDF
output. This way we will get a "universal" = system and there will
substitute pdfTeX, e-TeX, etc. Of course this means = that many people
have to work hard, but that something many people are = afraid of:-)
A.S.


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