Received: from webgate.proteosys.de (mail.proteosys-ag.com [62.225.9.49]) by lucy.proteosys (8.11.0/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id f1BLqKH12290 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 22:52:20 +0100 Received: by webgate.proteosys.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1BLqJd26488 . for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 22:52:19 +0100 Received: from mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailserver1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.30]) by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1BLqJM17349 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 22:52:19 +0100 (MET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C09474.E8400200" Received: from mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.56]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03117 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 22:52:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (mail.listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.5]) by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1BLqIM17345 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 22:52:18 +0100 (MET) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.5) by mail.listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <14.BBDD1E30@mail.listserv.gmd.de>; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 22:52:11 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 487850 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 22:52:14 +0100 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA28017 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 22:52:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA37164 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 22:52:13 +0100 Received: from moutvdom00.kundenserver.de (moutvdom00.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.149]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1BLqDu03860 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 22:52:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from [195.20.224.209] (helo=mrvdom02.schlund.de) by moutvdom00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14S4Pl-00005S-00 for LATEX-L@urz.uni-heidelberg.de; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 22:52:13 +0100 Received: from manz-3e364896.pool.mediaways.net ([62.54.72.150] helo=istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de) by mrvdom02.schlund.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14S4QI-0001US-01 for LATEX-L@URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 22:52:46 +0100 Received: (from latex3@localhost) by istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) id WAA13325; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 22:45:10 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <14982.58110.488910.461010@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <14982.45082.150652.74719@istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de> <14982.51989.349221.285820@istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de> <14982.52380.897443.588837@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <14982.53422.402117.63648@istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de> Return-Path: X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.4.1 X-Authentication-Warning: istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de: latex3 set sender to frank@mittelbach-online.de using -f Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: LaTeX's internal char prepresentation (UTF8 or Unicode?) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 22:45:10 +0100 Message-ID: <14983.2022.587938.334186@istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Frank Mittelbach" Sender: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" To: "Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L" Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3826 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09474.E8400200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hans, > Meta reasoning from the impression of TeX I get, developed as a = series > smart, but quick features lacking true generality and depth, I = surmise that that's a bold statement from you, given that TeX though being more than = 20 years old has still to find a opponent program that can produce even = equal quality in its domain. you might argue that Don as a language designer isn't really strong but = that is only a part of the story (though with most of your comments my feeling = is that you think it is all that is about anything) > any attempt in developing a TeX successor by enhancing it will fail. possibly but not for the reasons you claim frank ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09474.E8400200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: LaTeX's internal char prepresentation (UTF8 or = Unicode?)

Hans,

 > Meta reasoning from the impression of TeX I = get, developed as a series
 > smart, but quick features lacking true = generality and depth, I surmise that

that's a bold statement from you, given that TeX = though being more than 20
years old has still to find a opponent program that = can produce even equal
quality in its domain.

you might argue that Don as a language designer isn't = really strong but that is
only a part of the story (though with most of your = comments my feeling is that
you think it is all that is about anything)

 > any attempt in developing a TeX successor = by enhancing it will fail.

possibly but not for the reasons you claim

frank

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