Received: from webgate.proteosys.de (mail.proteosys-ag.com [62.225.9.49]) by lucy.proteosys (8.11.0/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id f19E87H04179 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:08:07 +0100 Received: by webgate.proteosys.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f19E86d17858 . for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:08:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C092A1.B9BDFD80" Received: from mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailserver1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.30]) by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f19E86M07819 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:08:06 +0100 (MET) Received: from mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.56]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19877 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:08:05 +0100 (MET) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (mail.listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.5]) by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f19E84M07814 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:08:05 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.5) by mail.listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <2.8D518EF3@mail.listserv.gmd.de>; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:07:58 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 488393 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:07:52 +0100 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA19300 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:07:51 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA22192 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:07:51 +0100 Received: from ams.org (sun06.ams.org [130.44.1.6]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f19E7ou18892 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:07:50 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (bnb@localhost) by ams.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f19E7kv15050 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:07:47 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <200102091336.NAA06041@stats.math.u-psud.fr> Return-Path: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: MLTeX vs AE virtual fonts Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:07:46 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Barbara Beeton" Sender: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" To: "Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L" Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3774 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C092A1.B9BDFD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable larry quotes david: > that [VF > MLTeX] presumably was Knuth's opinion at the > time, mltex predates vf, doesn't it? and responds: There are no grounds to presume. Knuth went to great pains to = assert Fuchs' priority (over Adobe Inc, J. Warnock?) in the introduction of = the VF concept. the initial need for vf was to overcome restrictions of certain typesetting machines, in particular the alphatype crs, which couldn't cope with glyphs larger than a certain size (so, for example, the summation had to be set from two pieces) or which were particularly deep (as are the radical signs in tex's extension font). the first issue of tugboat containing material set on the alphatype appeared in 1981. vf wasn't adopted into general use until much later -- 1990 was when the "virtual fonts, more fun for grand wizards" article appeared in tugboat. so, in the sense that david intended (i believe), mltex does predate vf, since michael ferguson's first tugboat article on the subject appeared in 1985. -- bb ------_=_NextPart_001_01C092A1.B9BDFD80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: MLTeX vs AE virtual fonts

larry quotes david:
    > that [VF > MLTeX] = presumably was Knuth's opinion at the
    > time, mltex predates vf, = doesn't it?

and responds:
    There are no grounds to = presume.  Knuth went to great pains to assert
    Fuchs' priority (over Adobe Inc, = J. Warnock?) in the introduction of the
    VF concept.

the initial need for vf was to overcome restrictions = of certain
typesetting machines, in particular the alphatype = crs, which
couldn't cope with glyphs larger than a certain size = (so, for
example, the summation had to be set from two pieces) = or which
were particularly deep (as are the radical signs in = tex's
extension font).  the first issue of tugboat = containing material
set on the alphatype appeared in 1981.

vf wasn't adopted into general use until much later -- = 1990 was
when the "virtual fonts, more fun for grand = wizards" article
appeared in tugboat.

so, in the sense that david intended (i believe), = mltex does
predate vf, since michael ferguson's first tugboat = article on
the subject appeared in 1985.
          &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;        -- bb

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