Received: from webgate.proteosys.de (mail.proteosys-ag.com [62.225.9.49]) by lucy.proteosys (8.11.0/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id f19Bo2H02700 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:50:02 +0100 Received: by webgate.proteosys.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f19Bo1d17425 . for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:50:02 +0100 Received: from mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailserver1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.30]) by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f19BnuM25783 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:49:56 +0100 (MET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0928E.6F7F5100" Received: from mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.56]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16065 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:49:55 +0100 (MET) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (mail.listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.5]) by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f19BnsM25777 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:49:54 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.5) by mail.listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <15.400F5C25@mail.listserv.gmd.de>; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:49:48 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 488017 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:49:51 +0100 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA15101 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:49:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA34840 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:49:50 +0100 Received: from hromeo.algonet.se (hromeo.algonet.se [194.213.74.51]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id f19Bnou07992 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:49:50 +0100 (MET) Received: (qmail 23355 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2001 12:49:48 +0100 Received: from delenn.tninet.se (HELO algonet.se) (195.100.94.104) by hromeo.algonet.se with SMTP; 9 Feb 2001 12:49:48 +0100 Received: from [195.100.226.129] (du129-226.ppp.su-anst.tninet.se [195.100.226.129]) by delenn.tninet.se (BLUETAIL Mail Robustifier 2.2.1) with ESMTP id 371903.719387.981delenn-s1 for ; Fri, 09 Feb 2001 12:49:47 +0100 In-Reply-To: <200102082216.RAA12899@hilbert.math.albany.edu> Return-Path: X-Sender: haberg@pop.matematik.su.se Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: inputenc text (and/or math) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:48:05 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Hans Aberg" Sender: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" To: "Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L" Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3766 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0928E.6F7F5100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 17:16 -0500 2001/02/08, William F. Hammond wrote: >Whether or not text is in math mode is an important authoring issue >that requires explicit author indication. > >For example: > >\begin{quote} >Everyone knows that the 2 most important numbers are $0$ and $1$\@. >\end{quote} Why not: There are odd and even numbers and the oddest of them all is $2$. I tend to think that there in a text mode for natural language alone, = there should be no numbers allowed, only letters and punctuation marks. Thus = your AW quote should be Everyone knows that the $2$ most important numbers are $0$ and $1$. or, as is recommended in language: Everyone knows that the two most important numbers are $0$ and $1$. (By induction, the natural numbers are the most important numbers, as in order to be able to express the sentence Everyone knows that the two most important numbers are $0$ and $1$. everybody realizes that two is the most important number next to zero = and one. Whence: Everyone knows that the three most important numbers are $0$, $1$, and = $2$. Thus, via induction, this principle of importance generates the natural numbers 0, 1, 2, ... *) ) Also, for the \gamma, one might even need language modes \begin{Greek}...\end{Greek} \begin{English}...\end{English} -- The Greek environment would admit \gamma, or typeset "g" as \gamma, = but the English environment would not admit \gamma. >...I assume that this discussion, which began with your questions >about changing over to the T1 fontenc, is about LaTeX3 and not about >the next 2E (unless the next 2E is to be 3). I think so to: Isn't it time to forget about 2e, and starting with 3? Changing 2e now will only annoy people that want a stable version. *) So called "mathematical joke". Hans Aberg ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0928E.6F7F5100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: inputenc text (and/or math)

At 17:16 -0500 2001/02/08, William F. Hammond = wrote:
>Whether or not text is in math mode is an = important authoring issue
>that requires explicit author indication.
>
>For example:
>
>\begin{quote}
>Everyone knows that the 2 most important numbers = are $0$ and $1$\@.
>\end{quote}

Why not:
  There are odd and even numbers and the oddest = of them all is $2$.

I tend to think that there in a text mode for natural = language alone, there
should be no numbers allowed, only letters and = punctuation marks. Thus your
AW quote should be
  Everyone knows that the $2$ most important = numbers are $0$ and $1$.
or, as is recommended in language:
  Everyone knows that the two most important = numbers are $0$ and $1$.

(By induction, the natural numbers are the most = important numbers, as in
order to be able to express the sentence
  Everyone knows that the two most important = numbers are $0$ and $1$.
everybody realizes that two is the most important = number next to zero and
one. Whence:
  Everyone knows that the three most important = numbers are $0$, $1$, and $2$.
Thus, via induction, this principle of importance = generates the natural
numbers 0, 1, 2, ... *) )

Also, for the \gamma, one might even need language = modes
  \begin{Greek}...\end{Greek}
  \begin{English}...\end{English}
-- The Greek environment would admit \gamma, or = typeset "g" as \gamma, but
the English environment would not admit = \gamma.

>...I assume that this discussion, which began with = your questions
>about changing over to the T1 fontenc, is about = LaTeX3 and not about
>the next 2E (unless the next 2E is to be = 3).

I think so to: Isn't it time to forget about 2e, and = starting with 3?
Changing 2e now will only annoy people that want a = stable version.

*) So called "mathematical joke".

  Hans Aberg

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