Received: from webgate.proteosys.de (mail.proteosys-ag.com [62.225.9.49]) by lucy.proteosys (8.11.0/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id f18L4TH32109 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 22:04:29 +0100 Received: by webgate.proteosys.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f18L4Sd14874 . for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 22:04:29 +0100 Received: from mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailserver1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.30]) by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f18L4SM06341 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 22:04:28 +0100 (MET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C09212.B9C2EC80" Received: from mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.57]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00474 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 22:04:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (mail.listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.5]) by mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f18L4P717070 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 22:04:25 +0100 (MET) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.5) by mail.listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <4.8CCB9156@mail.listserv.gmd.de>; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 22:04:19 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 488854 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 22:04:22 +0100 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA02069 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 22:04:21 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA41200 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 22:04:21 +0100 Received: from moutvdom01.kundenserver.de (moutvdom01.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.200]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f18L4Ku21398 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 22:04:20 +0100 (MET) Received: from [195.20.224.204] (helo=mrvdom00.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom01.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14QyEg-0004rf-00 for LATEX-L@urz.uni-heidelberg.de; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 22:04:14 +0100 Received: from manz-3e36461b.pool.mediaways.net ([62.54.70.27] helo=istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de) by mrvdom00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14QyED-0004qC-00 for LATEX-L@URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 22:03:45 +0100 Received: (from latex3@localhost) by istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) id WAA07779; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 22:01:55 +0100 In-Reply-To: <01JZMVN1N7XK0009XR@ALPHA.NTP.SPRINGER.DE> References: <01JZMVN1N7XK0009XR@ALPHA.NTP.SPRINGER.DE> Return-Path: X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.4.1 X-Authentication-Warning: istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de: latex3 set sender to frank@mittelbach-online.de using -f Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: inputenc text (and/or math) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 22:01:55 +0100 Message-ID: <14979.2371.657398.892036@istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Frank Mittelbach" Sender: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" To: "Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L" Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3759 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09212.B9C2EC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > [...] i strongly plea for math only accepts the small set of real > > ascii, ie > > > > 0-9 a-z A-Z !"/()=3D?`'+*<>|,;.:- > > plus commands > > > > by default (repeat: default). > > There are two characters which are pretty useless in math, namely '"' = (the > double quote) and '`' (the grave accent). The former fact is real = good luck > because it allows TeX fomulae in HTML ALT-tags without breaking HTML = syntax. > The later is just a cutiosity, but without AMS fonts there isn't any > sensible symbol mapping to '`'. aren't you mxing glyph shapes with a syntax description? my statement was that all visiable ascii chars (any only those) can be = used to type in math formulas (by default). the fact that ` gives a somewhat = strange left prime in CM and that " gives you a somewhat strange double quote = doesn't really change that. a) i'm sure that you find math papers using them (always in search of = extra symbols these guys :-) b) in other fonts they might produce more usable shapes c) for me the beauti is you can say "the visable ascii chars can be used = and only those (though you should remember that LaTeX claims a few of them = as syntax) period" frank ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09212.B9C2EC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: inputenc text (and/or math)

 > > [...] i strongly plea for math only = accepts the small set of real
 > > ascii, ie
 > >
 > > 0-9  a-z A-Z  = !"/()=3D?`'+*<>|,;.:-
 > > plus commands
 > >
 > > by default (repeat: default).
 >
 > There are two characters which are pretty = useless in math, namely '"' (the
 > double quote) and '`' (the grave accent). = The former fact is real good luck
 > because it allows TeX fomulae in HTML = ALT-tags without breaking HTML syntax.
 > The later is just a cutiosity, but without = AMS fonts there isn't any
 > sensible symbol mapping to '`'.

aren't you mxing glyph shapes with a syntax = description?

my statement was that all visiable ascii chars (any = only those) can be used to
type in math formulas (by default). the fact that ` = gives a somewhat strange
left prime in CM and that " gives you a somewhat = strange double quote doesn't
really change that.

a) i'm sure that you find math papers using them = (always in search of extra
symbols these guys :-)

b) in other fonts they might produce more usable = shapes

c) for me the beauti is you can say "the visable = ascii chars can be used and
only those (though you should remember that LaTeX = claims a few of them as
syntax) period"

frank

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