Received: from webgate.proteosys.de (mail.proteosys-ag.com [62.225.9.49]) by lucy.proteosys (8.11.0/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id f16CvnH18141 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:57:49 +0100 Received: by webgate.proteosys.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f16Cvmd04665 . for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:57:48 +0100 Received: from mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailserver1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.30]) by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f16CviM21506 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:57:44 +0100 (MET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0903C.68610480" Received: from mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.57]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13031 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:57:44 +0100 (MET) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (mail.listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.5]) by mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f16Cvh729143 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:57:43 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.5) by mail.listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <9.3ACBF25D@mail.listserv.gmd.de>; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:57:38 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 488234 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:57:40 +0100 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02838 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:57:39 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA69124 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:57:37 +0100 Received: from zambeze.ujf-grenoble.fr (zambeze.ujf-grenoble.fr [152.77.2.3]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f16Cvau26901 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:57:37 +0100 (MET) Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.Fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by zambeze.ujf-grenoble.fr (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3/Configured by AD & JE 25/10/1999) with ESMTP id NAA22996 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:57:34 +0100 (MET) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.Fr (8.9.3/8.8.5) id NAA02455; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:57:33 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <20010206101702.A5774@clipper.ens.fr> References: <20010206101702.A5774@clipper.ens.fr> Return-Path: X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: default inputenc/fontenc tight to language Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:57:33 +0100 Message-ID: <200102061257.NAA02455@mozart.ujf-grenoble.Fr> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Thierry Bouche" Sender: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" To: "Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L" Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3716 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0903C.68610480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Concernant =AB Re: default inputenc/fontenc tight to language =BB, Eric = Brunet =E9crit :=A0=AB =BB I should go to the latin1 by default, because it is somehow a more =BB accepted standard (in the sens that it is an ISO standard) than = ansinew. You mean that people with macintoshes should have something do declare in their files and others not? And that this would be forced somewhere in latex or babel kernel? =BB I have seen many beginners that begin typing in french their = document =BB without declaring an inputenc, and not realizing at once that = accents are =BB missing in the document. Well, if they have T1/fontenc, they won't see anything wrong. As long as french is concerned, making latin1 the default is restrictive as T1 is mandatory for correct hyphenation/kerning and T1 coincides with latin1. You can live with only =AB =BB active with current latex, I = don't see a good reason for requiring all >127 actives. Thierry Bouche __ =AB Ils vivent pour vivre, et nous, h=E9las=A0! nous vivons pour = savoir. =BB Charles Baudelaire, Paris. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0903C.68610480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: default inputenc/fontenc tight to language

Concernant =AB Re: default inputenc/fontenc tight to = language =BB, Eric Brunet =E9crit :=A0=AB
=BB I should go to the latin1 by default, because it = is somehow a more
=BB accepted standard (in the sens that it is an ISO = standard) than ansinew.

You mean that people with macintoshes should have = something do declare
in their files and others not? And that this would be = forced somewhere
in latex or babel kernel?

=BB I have seen many beginners that begin typing in = french their document
=BB without declaring an inputenc, and not realizing = at once that accents are
=BB missing in the document.

Well, if they have T1/fontenc, they won't see anything = wrong. As long
as french is concerned, making latin1 the default is = restrictive as T1
is mandatory for correct hyphenation/kerning and T1 = coincides with
latin1. You can live with only =AB =BB active with = current latex, I don't
see a good reason for  requiring all >127 = actives.


Thierry Bouche
__
  =AB Ils vivent pour vivre, et nous, = h=E9las=A0! nous vivons pour savoir. =BB
          &nbs= p;            = ;         Charles Baudelaire, = Paris.

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