Received: from webgate.proteosys.de (mail.proteosys-ag.com [62.225.9.49]) by lucy.proteosys (8.11.0/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id f15EwdH02222 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:58:39 +0100 Received: by webgate.proteosys.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f15EwZd00620 . for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:58:39 +0100 Received: from mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailserver1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.30]) by mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f15EvZ703252 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:57:35 +0100 (MET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C08F84.1F4D7980" Received: from mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.57]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01238 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:57:29 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (mail.listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.5]) by mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f15EvS703241 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:57:28 +0100 (MET) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.5) by mail.listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <4.C80E6449@mail.listserv.gmd.de>; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:57:18 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 487243 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:57:20 +0100 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA10152 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:57:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA85284 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:57:18 +0100 Received: from knatte.tninet.se (knatte.tninet.se [195.100.94.10]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id f15EvGu08572 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:57:16 +0100 (MET) Received: (qmail 25171 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2001 15:57:15 +0100 Received: from delenn.tninet.se (HELO algonet.se) (195.100.94.104) by knatte.tninet.se with SMTP; 5 Feb 2001 15:57:15 +0100 Received: from [195.100.226.134] (du134-226.ppp.su-anst.tninet.se [195.100.226.134]) by delenn.tninet.se (BLUETAIL Mail Robustifier 2.2.1) with ESMTP id 59298.385033.981delenn-s2 for ; Mon, 05 Feb 2001 15:57:13 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: J%ORG KNAPPEN's message of "Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:00:06 +0100" <01JZMVN1N7XK0009XR@ALPHA.NTP.SPRINGER.DE> Return-Path: X-Sender: haberg@pop.matematik.su.se (Unverified) x-mime-autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de id PAA10153 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: inputenc text (and/or math) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:28:47 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Hans Aberg" Sender: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" To: "Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L" Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3706 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08F84.1F4D7980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 09:05 -0500 2001/02/02, Michael John Downes wrote: >> Yes, this was my intention. If I type "=D7" (the times sign in >> Latin-1,2,3, and 4) I want that it works both in text and in math = mode >>giving >> something sensible (i.e. \textmultiply or \times resp.) I don't want = to >> have the command \times in text mode and \textmultiply in math mode >>necessarily > >The text/math ambiguity is a major problem for higher-level user >interfaces like Scientific Word. Should there not be a text-word mode, entirely dedicated at construction natural language words, a text-symbol mode for non-math symbols, and a = math mode for math typesetting. >If the user enters \gamma + 1 without >first starting a math formula, then the proper way for the software to >write it is: > > \textgamma \textplus 1 > >instead of > > $\gamma + 1$ Then an expression like \gamma + 1 without first starting a math formula would simply fail as `+' and `1' are not used in froming natural = language words. Also, if there is a non-math use of the times sign in Latin-x, x = in [1, 4], one would have to put it in the text-symbol environment. Hans Aberg ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08F84.1F4D7980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: inputenc text (and/or math)

At 09:05 -0500 2001/02/02, Michael John Downes = wrote:
>> Yes, this was my intention. If I type = "=D7" (the times sign in
>> Latin-1,2,3, and 4) I want that it works = both in text and in math mode
>>giving
>> something sensible (i.e. \textmultiply or = \times resp.) I don't want to
>> have the command \times in text mode and = \textmultiply in math mode
>>necessarily
>
>The text/math ambiguity is a major problem for = higher-level user
>interfaces like Scientific Word.

Should there not be a text-word mode, entirely = dedicated at construction
natural language words, a text-symbol mode for = non-math symbols, and a math
mode for math typesetting.

>If the user enters \gamma + 1 without
>first starting a math formula, then the proper = way for the software to
>write it is:
>
>  \textgamma \textplus 1
>
>instead of
>
>  $\gamma + 1$

Then an expression like \gamma + 1 without first = starting a math formula
would simply fail as `+' and `1' are not used in = froming natural language
words. Also, if there is a non-math use of the times = sign in Latin-x, x in
[1, 4], one would have to put it in the text-symbol = environment.

  Hans Aberg

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