Received: from webgate.proteosys.de (mail.proteosys-ag.com [62.225.9.49]) by lucy.proteosys (8.11.0/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id f0TLku709425 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:46:56 +0100 Received: by webgate.proteosys.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0TLlg724169 . for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:47:42 +0100 Received: from mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailserver1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.30]) by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f0TLktM24303 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:46:55 +0100 (MET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C08A3C.FFC2C800" Received: from mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.57]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05867 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:46:54 +0100 (MET) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (mail.listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.5]) by mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f0TLkr728609 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:46:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.5) by mail.listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <2.D55A1790@mail.listserv.gmd.de>; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:46:51 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 484963 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:46:50 +0100 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13708 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:46:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12860 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:46:49 +0100 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f0TLknY26160 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:46:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from heraldgate2.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.50] helo=frontend2.herald.ox.ac.uk ident=exim) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #3) id 14NM8O-0001tX-00 for LATEX-L@urz.uni-heidelberg.de; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:46:48 +0000 Received: from max55.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.55] helo=spqr2.oucs.ox.ac.uk ident=rahtz) by frontend2.herald.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 14NM8O-0002IG-00 for LATEX-L@URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:46:49 +0000 In-Reply-To: <14965.53535.903052.219374@istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de> References: <14965.53535.903052.219374@istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de> Return-Path: X-Mailer: emacs 20.6.1 (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.86 under Emacs 20.6.1 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: default font encoding Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:53:08 +0100 Message-ID: <14965.58948.408001.938171@spqr2.oucs.ox.ac.uk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Sebastian Rahtz" Sender: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" To: "Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L" Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3660 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08A3C.FFC2C800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Frank Mittelbach writes: > i nevertheless begin to wonder if we should change the default font > encoding from OT1 to T1 so that more people get proper hyphenation > without the need to say > > \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} > > in their documents and would be interested to hear what the opinion = on this > list would be (not that i consider this list a representative sample = of the > average LaTeX user). I vote against, strongly. If you make a major change like this to standard LaTeX, but do not offer major *new* facilities, you will simply alienate 2000000 people around the world... that is to say, all those people whose documents stop working cos they don't have T1 CMR fonts. No, they don't have EC fonts, and don't want them 'cos they are not Type1 :-} from the grave, Sebastian ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08A3C.FFC2C800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: default font encoding

Frank Mittelbach writes:

 > i nevertheless begin to wonder if we should = change the default font
 > encoding from OT1 to T1 so that more = people get proper hyphenation
 > without the need to say
 >
 >   = \usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
 >
 > in their documents and would be interested = to hear what the opinion on this
 > list would be (not that i consider this = list a representative sample of the
 > average LaTeX user).

I vote against, strongly. If you make a major change = like this to
standard LaTeX, but do not offer major *new* = facilities, you will
simply alienate 2000000 people around the world... = that is to say, all
those people whose documents stop working cos they = don't have T1 CMR
fonts. No, they don't have EC fonts, and don't want = them 'cos they are
not Type1 :-}

from the grave, Sebastian

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