Received: via tmail-4.1(11) (invoked by user schoepf) for schoepf; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:22:47 +0200 (MEST) Received: from mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.57]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06889 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:22:47 +0200 (MEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C00B51.5E604D80" Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (mail.listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.5]) by mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7L9Mkk09197 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:22:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.5) by mail.listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <6.98579767@mail.listserv.gmd.de>; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:22:46 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 468354 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:22:44 +0200 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA29224 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:22:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21142 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:22:43 +0200 Received: from mailhost.tue.nl (mailhost.tue.nl [131.155.2.5]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00921 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:22:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sg10.chem.tue.nl (sg10.chem.tue.nl [131.155.80.53]) by mailhost.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e7L9MgJ06692 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:22:42 +0200 (MDT) Received: from tgakic@localhost by sg10.chem.tue.nl (8.9.3) for LATEX-L@URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE id LAA1486093; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:22:41 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: from "Robin Fairbairns" at Aug 20, 2000 08:43:13 PM Return-Path: X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: new command (for romanian letter) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:22:41 +0100 Message-ID: <200008210922.LAA1486093@sg10.chem.tue.nl> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Ionel Mugurel Ciobica" Sender: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" To: "Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L" Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3595 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C00B51.5E604D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > i think these things _do_ appear in the free unicode fonts that come > with omega. > I don't say that those things don't exist, but there are not working in this case. I will try to contact the omega guys. > looks easy enough to do. something along the lines of: > > = \def\ucomma#1{\ooalign{#1\crcr\hidewidth\raise-.25ex\hbox{\tiny,}\hidewid= th}} > > usage: \ucomma{S} (i don't think this is a terribly good name, > but...) I changed a bit, with \scriptsize instead of \tiny, and I lower it to 0.31ex instead of .25ex; it is looking nice now. Thank you for your help. > > this kills hyphenation of any word it appears in. whatever, it goes > some way towards what's needed, but the computer modern comma looks > most definitely wrong here: some differential scaling might improve it > (using the graphics package, not difficult, but slightly tedious). > I will have a look, but I am afraid I have no much time to spend. Do you think that in the new version of latex a proper way to get this accent wit will be implemented? > a general-use command would use relative scaling of the comma > (rather than the absolute-scaling \tiny), and possibly differential > scaling of the glyph so as to get the squashed-up look we see in the > unicode font tables. and the name would be better. > > personally, i wouldn't want to see a kernel command offering such a > cobbled-up thing (it could appear in a babel package for romanian > support, though). the proper solution would involve some real font > design, i think. > Ionel ------_=_NextPart_001_01C00B51.5E604D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: new command (for romanian letter)

>
> i think these things _do_ appear in the free = unicode fonts that come
> with omega.
>
I don't say that those things don't exist, but there = are not working
in this case. I will try to contact the omega = guys.

> looks easy enough to do.  something along = the lines of:
>
> = \def\ucomma#1{\ooalign{#1\crcr\hidewidth\raise-.25ex\hbox{\tiny,}\hidewid= th}}
>
> usage: \ucomma{S}  (i don't think this is a = terribly good name,
> but...)

I changed a bit, with \scriptsize instead of \tiny, = and I lower it
to 0.31ex instead of .25ex; it is looking nice now. = Thank you for your
help.

>
> this kills hyphenation of any word it appears = in.  whatever, it goes
> some way towards what's needed, but the computer = modern comma looks
> most definitely wrong here: some differential = scaling might improve it
> (using the graphics package, not difficult, but = slightly tedious).
>
I will have a look, but I am afraid I have no much = time to spend.
Do you think that in the new version of latex a = proper way to get
this accent wit will be implemented?

> a general-use command would use relative scaling = of the comma
> (rather than the absolute-scaling \tiny), and = possibly differential
> scaling of the glyph so as to get the = squashed-up look we see in the
> unicode font tables.  and the name would be = better.
>

> personally, i wouldn't want to see a kernel = command offering such a
> cobbled-up thing (it could appear in a babel = package for romanian
> support, though).  the proper solution = would involve some real font
> design, i think.
>

Ionel

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