X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1408" "Wed" "17" "November" "1999" "12:56:03" "+0100" "Bernard GAULLE" "gaulle@IDRIS.FR" nil "27" "Re: encodings pair (was: babel 3.7 beta release)" "^Date:" nil nil "11" nil "encodings pair (was: babel 3.7 beta release)" nil nil nil] nil) Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (mail.listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.5]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24101 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:56:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.5) by mail.listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <4.A02FE8EA@mail.listserv.gmd.de>; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:56:28 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 445538 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:56:04 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02726 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:56:01 +0100 (MET) Received: from lumiere.idris.fr (lumiere.idris.fr [130.84.8.14]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA12618 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:56:07 +0100 (MET) Received: from murnau.idris.fr (murnau.idris.fr [130.84.8.20]) by lumiere.idris.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17088 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:56:04 +0100 (MET) Received: (from gaulle@localhost) by murnau.idris.fr (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id MAA00392; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:56:03 +0100 Message-ID: <199911171156.MAA00392@murnau.idris.fr> Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:56:03 +0100 From: Bernard GAULLE Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: encodings pair (was: babel 3.7 beta release) Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3425 >>>>> On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:26:42 +0100, "Denis B. Roegel" said: > Among the language attributes, there should IMHO be "default encodings." > These encodings would be either a pair of < input encoding, output encoding > > or a pair of lists of encoding, which would enable priorities. > For instance, English should have as a default < ASCII, OT1 >. > French should have < latin1, T1 >, [...] definitely no, < ASCII, OT1 > is still a good default pair for French, assuming that other pairs could be < mltex, hyphenation-with-diacritics > or < tex, standard-hyphenation > or ... English people, like French, have also good taste (i don't speak about beef ;=) and often use words with diacritics. So i think, IMHO, that the default < ASCII, OT1 > is sometimes estimated as a poor default even they don't have a lot of such words to hyphenate correctly. That's just to say that a default is never the good choice for the whole community, it's just the lowest acceptable choice. The last but not... Since standard TeX engines don't accept dynamic patterns loading (La)TeX formats should contain customized data like language patterns and thus at run time you can't expect that it's the good format for your language (the good fonts, the good patterns) etc. nor force any default depending of theses choices. You only can expect to have CM and US-English patterns, that's all. --bg