X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1665" "Tue" "16" "November" "1999" "10:34:51" "+0100" "Eric Brunet" "ebrunet@CLIPPER.ENS.FR" nil "35" "Re: babel 3.7 beta release" "^Date:" nil nil "11" nil "babel 3.7 beta release" nil nil nil] nil) Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (mail.listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.5]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14230 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:35:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.5) by mail.listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <15.B2786DD5@mail.listserv.gmd.de>; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:35:00 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 445529 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:34:37 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18412 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:34:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.12]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00997 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:34:52 +0100 (MET) Received: from clipper.ens.fr (clipper-gw.ens.fr [129.199.1.22]) by nef.ens.fr (8.9.3/beig-1.0) with ESMTP id KAA02508 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:34:50 +0100 (MET) Received: from (ebrunet@localhost) by clipper.ens.fr (8.9.2/jb-1.1) References: <199911112332.AAA17817@cistron.nl> <199911140802.JAA11956@craffe.loria.fr> <14384.30231.698701.576525@Wincenty.nowhere.edu.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.96i Message-ID: <19991116103450.A23913@clipper.ens.fr> Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project In-Reply-To: <14384.30231.698701.576525@Wincenty.nowhere.edu.pl>; from Marcin Wolinski on Mon, Nov 15, 1999 at 10:07:35PM +0100 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:34:51 +0100 From: Eric Brunet Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: babel 3.7 beta release Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3414 On Mon, Nov 15, 1999 at 10:07:35PM +0100, Marcin Wolinski wrote: > Denis B. Roegel wrote: > > French should have < latin1, T1 >, Russian could have < koi8-r, X2 >, etc. > > These encodings would then just be triggered when one writes > > \selectlanguage{french}, etc. I haven't tried the new version of babel, > > Unfortunatelly many input encodings can be appropriate for a given > language (e.g. for Polish we have at least 3 widely used encodings), > and it may be difficult to judge, which of them should be default > (this may depend on the operating system). So it probably is not such > a good idea to have global defaults. Why not ? There is no way it can hurt. If there are three encoding for polish, then one third of the users will be happy that a default exists, and nothing will change for two thirds of the users nor in good, nor in bad. On the other hand I can understand that you don't want to choose the default encoding and get insults by e-mail from 2/3 of the Poles, but if this choice is done, it's for everybody's benefit. In all case there is absolutely no reason to not establish a default for languages where the (input|font)encoding is evident. I am giving every year practical introducting lessons to LaTeX2e to french students with no computer background, and I always have a bad time to justify why every document must contain \usepackage[babel]{francais} \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} \usepackage[latin1]{inputenc} The goal of these practical lessons is to show an alternative to ms-word to humanities student who will have to write down thesis, and you can bet these kinds of details don't help. Éric Brunet