X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1828" "Fri" "18" "December" "1998" "13:23:13" "+0100" "Hans Aberg" "haberg@MATEMATIK.SU.SE" nil "33" "Re: pointless discussions" "^Date:" nil nil "12" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from listserv.gmd.de (listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.1]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA27227; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:23:25 +0100 (MET) Received: from lsv1.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.2) by listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <5.0C9C8645@listserv.gmd.de>; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:23:22 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 413646 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:23:12 +0100 Received: from mail0.nada.kth.se (mail0.nada.kth.se [130.237.222.70]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29547 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:23:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from [130.237.37.136] (sl110.modempool.kth.se [130.237.37.136]) by mail0.nada.kth.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA22824 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:22:56 +0100 (MET) X-Sender: su95-hab@mail.nada.kth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project In-Reply-To: <199812180937.JAA21980@nag.co.uk> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:23:13 +0100 From: Hans Aberg Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: pointless discussions Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3198 At 09:37 +0000 1998/12/18, David Carlisle wrote: > I think this is the problem: People in the publishing industry buys all the > expensive Adobe licenced PS/PDF stuff and then only works with that, > because they have the money and do not want to risk incompatibilities. The > others are left out in the cold. ... >The problem with this argumemt is that the software that Berthold was >referring to was acrobat reader and the windows gdi printing system. >The first is free, the second is not, but I would not say that someone >with a windows box was necessarily classed as rich. Incompatibilities show up, for example, when tries to use a system not using PS (say in the OS in the printer): I used an Apple MacOS system based entirely on Quickdraw (introduced by Apple in order to avoid Adobe license fees), and the within that system converted DVI files to PDF, and it did not work out -- for some reason, the PS CM fonts did not convert as expected. (That is, the PDF files created were unusable within Acrobat Reader, for some reason I do not know.) So those problems do exist, that I am sure of. So I realized that the safest thing is to stick to this PS stuff entirely. I also know that this is what they do in the graphics industry here in Sweden: A typical setup might be a Mac with PS, using PageMaker and PS printers all the way, and other things they know that others typically use. This way one avoids incompatibilities. Other formats (like MS Word), one tries convert into this PS setup, before working it. So this is like a small niche scientific community, always using TeX and DVI. Hans Aberg * Email: Hans Aberg * Home Page: * AMS member listing: