X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1233" "Wed" "16" "December" "1998" "09:47:36" "+0000" "Robin Fairbairns" "Robin.Fairbairns@CL.CAM.AC.UK" nil "31" "Re: portable LaTeX" "^Date:" nil nil "12" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from kralle.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (root@kralle.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.158]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA26739; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:02:55 +0100 (MET) Received: from listserv.gmd.de (listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.1]) by kralle.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27979; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:59:29 +0100 (MET) Received: from lsv1.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.2) by listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <8.007B1C7F@listserv.gmd.de>; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:47:55 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 413199 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:47:41 +0100 Received: from heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk (exim@heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk [128.232.32.11]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA12719 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:47:39 +0100 (MET) Received: from dorceus.cl.cam.ac.uk (cl.cam.ac.uk) [128.232.1.34] (rf) by heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zqDYR-0003fi-00; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:47:39 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:16:20 +0100." Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:47:36 +0000 From: Robin Fairbairns Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: portable LaTeX Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3167 hans aberg writes: > Well, speaking of an _authoring_ language, one would expect [...] > > So from this point of view, HTML and PDF and DVI are incomplete. umm, in iso 8613[*] terms, pdf and dvi are `final forms', the output of a formatting process. pace various people's odd ideas, they are not (as a practical proposition) intended to be edited. as authoring languages they are complete crocks (though people do do daft things: i have a friend who regularly writes bits of exam papers in postscript...). html is a `revisable form'. indeed, some people (such as i, who have no other tools than emacs) author in it[*]. but it's an awful authoring language, even with the sorts of dances i can persuade emacs to do for me.... however, html _does_ in principle provide an awful lot of what one might like. it fails in its lack of stable extensibility ... which is what this crazy argument started from (but, shock horror, in terms of latex's stability and extensibility). robin [*] see, e.g., ISO/IEC 8613-1:1994 Information technology -- Open Document Architecture (ODA) and interchange format: Part 1: Introduction and general principles [**] and regularly get emailed abuse about the lack of tricksiness in my output...