X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1054" "Mon" "14" "December" "1998" "17:08:57" "+0000" "Timothy Murphy" "tim@MATHS.TCD.IE" nil "27" "Re: portable LaTeX" "^Date:" nil nil "12" nil "portable LaTeX" nil nil nil] nil) Received: from listserv.gmd.de (listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.1]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15447; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:09:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from lsv1.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.2) by listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <8.4E4350F2@listserv.gmd.de>; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:09:07 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 413455 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:09:00 +0100 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA27213 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:08:57 +0100 (MET) Received: from boole.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 14 Dec 98 17:08:58 +0000 (GMT) References: <13938.39518.68424.927988@fell.open.ac.uk> <199812092035.VAA16014@na6.mathematik.uni-tuebingen.de> <199812141457.IAA15514@dcdrjh.fnal.gov> <13941.11832.164081.296097@srahtz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Message-ID: <19981214170857.D29182@maths.tcd.ie> Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project In-Reply-To: <13941.11832.164081.296097@srahtz>; from Sebastian Rahtz on Mon, Dec 14, 1998 at 03:26:48PM +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:08:57 +0000 From: Timothy Murphy Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: portable LaTeX Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3107 On Mon, Dec 14, 1998 at 03:26:48PM +0000, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > why i should want to do tex->dvi->dvips->ps2pdf->pdf when i can do > tex->pdf, with much higher quality, i am not sure :-} I believe the discussion here, and on the pdftex mailing list, provide very strong arguments for using a "mid-language" like DVI. It's madness, in my view, to modify the TeX engine in order to allow inclusion of particular graphic formats. And the discussion about the internal semantics of new pdfTeX primitives, most of which would be far better dealt with as \special's in a DVI file, leads me to conclude that pdfTeX and Knuth TeX are rapidly diverging. (Fortunately Thanh seems far more conservative than his followers.) While Thanh's pdfTeX is a marvellous piece of work, which satisfied an urgent need, in my view it is fundamentally misconceived, and will in time be replaced by a version based on possibly extended DVI. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland