X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1907" "Sun" "6" "December" "1998" "16:42:26" "+0100" "Hans Aberg" "haberg@MATEMATIK.SU.SE" nil "41" "Re: What is \"base\" LaTeX" "^Date:" nil nil "12" nil "What is \"base\" LaTeX" nil nil nil] nil) Received: from listserv.gmd.de (listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.1]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA29682; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 16:42:44 +0100 (MET) Received: from lsv1.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.2) by listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <7.E8A3E897@listserv.gmd.de>; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 16:42:43 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 411365 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 16:42:39 +0100 Received: from mail0.nada.kth.se (mail0.nada.kth.se [130.237.222.70]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03331 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 16:42:37 +0100 (MET) Received: from [130.237.37.34] (sl28.modempool.kth.se [130.237.37.48]) by mail0.nada.kth.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA24891 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 16:42:11 +0100 (MET) X-Sender: su95-hab@mail.nada.kth.se References: ; from Hans Aberg on Sun, Dec 06, 1998 at 12:16:02PM +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project In-Reply-To: <19981206151331.A12791@maths.tcd.ie> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 16:42:26 +0100 From: Hans Aberg Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: What is "base" LaTeX Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3048 At 15:13 +0000 1998/12/06, Timothy Murphy wrote: >I find it curious that in all this discussion >it seems to be assumed that while everything else will be turned upside-down >Netscape and InternetExplorer will remain the only browsers in use, >understanding only HTML/XML. The story is that these two are the oligarchists, both aiding developments in the aspects that can help them making money, and impeding developments in the aspects they do not bother to implement. >It seems to me more likely that there will be dozens of browsers around, >many of which will have no difficulty displaying PDF, DVI, etc. So, eventually this will happen. I can add that there is not very difficult from the technical point of view to produce WWW browsers that can handle all that: Just make a sufficiently general display format and put it into the OS. (Example: Display PS used by NeXT computers and the new Rhapsody OS that runs on Macs and DOS computers.) Then the browser just calls those routines, and it becomes automatic. >Consequently the "argument by browser" for *ML >seems to me entirely devoid of merit. >If there is an argument for MathML, OpenMath, etc >(and I can see that there is one, though I remain unpersuaded) >it will have to be based on more fundamental principles. This is also what I think: These discussions must have a more long term scope than just the immediate mass-consumer market represented by Netscape and InternetExplorer and such. All these big companies, Microsoft, Apple, whatever, of curse presents them as big inventors and generators of creativity, but it is well known that these companies are no more than great exploiters of the creativity of others. Hans Aberg * Email: Hans Aberg * Home Page: * AMS member listing: