X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1697" "Mon" "30" "November" "1998" "19:09:06" "+0100" "Chris Rowley" "C.A.Rowley@OPEN.AC.UK" nil "47" "Re: What is \"base\" LaTeX" "^Date:" nil nil "11" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from listserv.gmd.de (listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.1]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA05461; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:10:43 +0100 (MET) Received: from lsv1.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.2) by listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <6.96A3BB94@listserv.gmd.de>; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:10:42 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 412045 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:10:38 +0100 Received: from ixgate02.dfnrelay.d400.de (ixgate02.dfnrelay.d400.de [193.174.248.2]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA14619 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:10:35 +0100 (MET) X400-Received: by mta d400relay in /PRMD=dfnrelay/ADMD=d400/C=de/; Relayed; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:09:31 +0100 X400-Received: by mta venus in /PRMD=uk.ac/ADMD= /C=gb/; Relayed; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:09:04 +0100 X400-Received: by mta fell.open.ac.uk in /PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/; Relayed; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:08:26 +0100 X400-Received: by mta open.ac.uk in /PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/; Relayed; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:08:25 +0100 X400-Received: by mta UK.AC.MHS-RELAY.SUN in /PRMD=uk.ac/ADMD= /C=gb/; Relayed; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:09:06 +0100 X400-Originator: C.A.Rowley@open.ac.uk X400-Recipients: non-disclosure:; X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<13922.56551.363265.349994@fell.] X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 (22) Content-Identifier: Re: What is (... Alternate-Recipient: Allowed References: <199811262254.IAA20689@bigted.maths.uq.edu.au>, <13919.57916.952197.754236@fell.open.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: VM 6.44 under Emacs 19.34.1 Message-ID: <13922.56551.363265.349994@fell.open.ac.uk> Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project In-Reply-To: <13922.25418.636862.331937@srahtz> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:09:06 +0100 From: Chris Rowley Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: What is "base" LaTeX Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2992 Sebastian wrote -- > one has to start asking if you and I inhabit the same world! yes, of > course Web heads all want better and better and better wotsits, Not sure, but I was not talking about heads, just 'ornery folk who want useful, usable stuff that works! > the growth of Web usage is *surely* undeniable evidence that it > satifies some basic needs? what else is happiness? Mmm, so does working (in our wonderful new society:-) and breathing but I do not normally associate these necesities with "happiness". > why do yo think i have a printer available as I do my course? Exactly... But think of all those who do not. > i was talking abolute numbers, not proportions. hence the word "many". How amazing, I would never have guessed: do archeologists always do that? > > > lot of basic stuff in common. Thus in the context of this list, there > > is no need to make a large distinction but just to extend our idea of > > what a document is. > sure, no large distinction. but Lucida New Math vs CMR is a detail maybe, maybe not a detail; but not really the sort of design issue i had in mind at the time. > > am curious to hear what your professional bodies have done to help you > get your 10pt CM PDF documents up. Put money into such things as a system that produces them and makes them (relatively freely) acessible. And, more recently, putting a huge (questionably so???) effort into producing character sets and glyph sets and ... etc etc. OK, I know that some publishers are also supporting this but I do not think that they alone would have started it nor that they would have available the expertise needed, however glowing their academic pedigree may be. chris