X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["2075" "Sat" "28" "November" "1998" "13:03:27" "+0100" "Chris Rowley" "C.A.Rowley@OPEN.AC.UK" nil "50" "Re: What is \"base\" LaTeX" "^Date:" nil nil "11" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from listserv.gmd.de (listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.1]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA20850; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 13:03:47 +0100 (MET) Received: from lsv1.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.2) by listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <7.FF249BC3@listserv.gmd.de>; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 13:03:46 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 411252 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 13:03:41 +0100 Received: from ixgate01.dfnrelay.d400.de (ixgate01.dfnrelay.d400.de [193.174.248.1]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA16012 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 13:03:36 +0100 (MET) X400-Received: by mta d400relay in /PRMD=dfnrelay/ADMD=d400/C=de/; Relayed; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 13:03:31 +0100 X400-Received: by mta venus in /PRMD=uk.ac/ADMD= /C=gb/; Relayed; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 13:01:46 +0100 X400-Received: by mta fell.open.ac.uk in /PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/; Relayed; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 13:01:10 +0100 X400-Received: by mta open.ac.uk in /PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/; Relayed; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 13:01:09 +0100 X400-Received: by mta UK.AC.MHS-RELAY.SUN in /PRMD=uk.ac/ADMD= /C=gb/; Relayed; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 13:03:27 +0100 X400-Originator: C.A.Rowley@open.ac.uk X400-Recipients: non-disclosure:; X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<13919.57916.952197.754236@fell.] X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 (22) Content-Identifier: Re: What is (... Alternate-Recipient: Allowed References: <199811262254.IAA20689@bigted.maths.uq.edu.au>, <13918.39374.95531.209114@srahtz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: VM 6.44 under Emacs 19.34.1 Message-ID: <13919.57916.952197.754236@fell.open.ac.uk> Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project In-Reply-To: <13918.39374.95531.209114@srahtz> Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 13:03:27 +0100 From: Chris Rowley Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: What is "base" LaTeX Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2976 Sebastian > its amazing how the tens of millions of Web users out there happily > use this inferior technology, isn't it. Indeed, it is so amazing that I simply do not believe it. The WEB has lots of potential uses, some of which are already excleent (instant typing correction is not one of them:-), but many of which need much better technology before people "should be happy" with them. Would you be happy to have to do all your Java course on-line, without a decent printer available? Happiness with tecnology is a funny thing: very, very many people are "very happy" with a 14in screen; but a lot of (not all) people who now have a 17in or 19in screen now realise that they "should not have been happy" with the 14in one. > of course, many are not 20th century mathematicians... And I am sure that the world is a better place for that:-)? Puts on statistical hat: I suspect that the proportion of this dying race that uses the web is very high compared with the whole of the great unwashed. > > if you want a document to read on the screen, why not design for the > screen? of course, if you work towards an A4 page with 1 inch margins > and 10 pt Computer Modern math, and display it in PDF with the full > page, it looks like a set of bird tracks. Mmm, interesting. I agree completely with Sebastian that we need good screen design but i am unsure if he agrees with me that a lot of basic ideas in design and in the technolgies to support it: the designs themselves will be different and the possibilities of on-screen documents (even static ones) are probably more diverse, but there is a lot of basic stuff in common. Thus in the context of this list, there is no need to make a large distinction but just to extend our idea of what a document is. Even more interesting: I think that PDF is an excellnet medium for viewing on screen, and printing if needed, a 10pt CM math document. And we happy breed of people, the 20C pure mathematicians, now do this a lot thanks to the efforts of our professional bodies (and maybe some publishers too;-). chris