X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1354" "Fri" "27" "November" "1998" "14:20:02" "+0000" "Robin Fairbairns" "Robin.Fairbairns@CL.CAM.AC.UK" nil "31" "Re: What is \"base\" LaTeX" "^Date:" nil nil "11" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from listserv.gmd.de (listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.1]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01685; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 15:20:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from lsv1.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.2) by listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <15.E3FAB876@listserv.gmd.de>; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 15:20:12 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 411615 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 15:20:07 +0100 Received: from heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk (exim@heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk [128.232.32.11]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA24144 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 15:20:05 +0100 (MET) Received: from dorceus.cl.cam.ac.uk (cl.cam.ac.uk) [128.232.1.34] (rf) by heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zjOke-0002Ar-00; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 14:20:04 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 27 Nov 1998 14:04:17 GMT." <13918.45409.395265.753693@srahtz> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 14:20:02 +0000 From: Robin Fairbairns Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: What is "base" LaTeX Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2949 > Robin Fairbairns writes: > > i've today been told that "converting whole documents to pdf is > > entirely the wrong idea". > do they think Pinochet should be sent home too? i dunno. when are they going to charge thatcher with war crimes, that's what i want to know? > > the imaging model is fine; there are those who don't think the > > hypertextual model is good enough, it seems. who am i to gainsay > > them? (i haven't been a `mathematician' since 1967, so i hardly > > i'm slightly bemused to hear that mathematicians now require special > _hypertext_ as well as everything else. but I'd point out that a link > embedded in a PDF document should be able to be expressed in XPointer > syntax perfectly well, which helps a little. I'd agree that internally > the PDF model is simplistic - but then who *has* implemented anything > better in mainstream software? i was merely relaying a comment i'd just read (and spent some time responding to). in essence, everyone wants everything, *now*. acting in a support role, the best one can hope to do is to tell them about the limited subset they can _have_ now; but the potential of the future offerings (mathml, and then something along the openmath lines later) is a nice thing to have to blind 'em with science when they carry on whinging. people ask me direct, i tell 'em "use pdf". r