X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["2622" "Wed" "25" "November" "1998" "13:32:56" "+0100" "Hans Aberg" "haberg@MATEMATIK.SU.SE" nil "47" "Re: What is \"base\" LaTeX" "^Date:" nil nil "11" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from listserv.gmd.de (listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.1]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA03251; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:33:37 +0100 (MET) Received: from lsv1.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.2) by listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <10.AAF57C3F@listserv.gmd.de>; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:33:36 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 410988 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:33:31 +0100 Received: from mail0.nada.kth.se (mail0.nada.kth.se [130.237.222.70]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA05343 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:33:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from [130.237.37.95] (sl69.modempool.kth.se [130.237.37.95]) by mail0.nada.kth.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA28468 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:33:07 +0100 (MET) X-Sender: su95-hab@mail.nada.kth.se References: <13914.43859.281032.18501@srahtz> <365A9F55.88C46733@na.uni-tuebingen.de> <199811142302.AAA24385@na6.mathematik.uni-tuebingen.de> <13913.60537.514744.407614@srahtz> <365A9F55.88C46733@na.uni-tuebingen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981125060354.01a693d0@pop.tiac.net> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:32:56 +0100 From: Hans Aberg Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: What is "base" LaTeX Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2907 At 06:09 -0500 1998/11/25, Y&Y, Inc. wrote: >>I do have one last (trite) remark - why are you (the publishers >>reading this) spending so much time on arguing about typesetting and >>publishing? Why don't you spend my money on publishing......? > >Have pity on Sebastian, please :-) He is telling it like it is, and you are >repeating the litany of how you think things should be. Listen to him. >He comes from the same religion, but has been exposed to the real >world. It is only natural to gang up on him because he speaks against >the one and only true faith. I thought it was the opposite, Sebastian speaking about the faith common among businesses, but knowing nothing about the real world that researchers experiences: It is like teaching students at an university which thinks that the main task at the university of their teacher is to teach students, which it is normally not, at least at US universities. One tends ending up with all kinds of duties one would prefer to not. If I should translate this into business, then it is like a person thinking that a business is only manufacturing a product and selling it, while in reality the business is be involved in activities such as administration, decision making, research, advertisements, donations, keeping contacts with other businesses, consumers and society, and so on. Returning to the original question, it is clear that mathematicians have a lot of specialty knowledge about what their papers should containing, including notation then, just as typesetters have special knowledge graphical matters. The difficulty with math notation is that it is developed in close interaction with the notions one wants to describe, and an interaction which can often be very intuitive and subtle. The best way out of this dilemma for publishers and typesetters is to having as little as possible with this semantic aspect of contents that the mathematician supplies, and only provide the things that has to do with the general graphical look: Anything else is going to be too expensive, and the interface between mathematician and proof-readers does not work anyhow. In order to support this, TeX was invented, and LaTeX was invented in order to support using TeX as an authoring tool, even though most mathematicians did not use LaTeX at least in the beginning as somehow LaTeX was able to forget about the styles that mathematicians use. Hans Aberg * Email: Hans Aberg * Home Page: * AMS member listing: