X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1867" "Fri" "20" "November" "1998" "13:33:21" "+0000" "Robin Fairbairns" "Robin.Fairbairns@CL.CAM.AC.UK" nil "44" "Re: What is \"base\" LaTeX" "^Date:" nil nil "11" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from listserv.gmd.de (listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.1]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29499; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:33:33 +0100 (MET) Received: from lsv1.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.2) by listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <14.3689641C@listserv.gmd.de>; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:33:32 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 409558 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:33:25 +0100 Received: from heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk (exim@heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk [128.232.32.11]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA12043 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:33:23 +0100 (MET) Received: from dorceus.cl.cam.ac.uk (cl.cam.ac.uk) [128.232.1.34] (rf) by heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zgqgc-000437-00; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:33:22 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:05:38 GMT." <98111717053815@man.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:33:21 +0000 From: Robin Fairbairns Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: What is "base" LaTeX Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2889 phillip helbig writes: > This is the way many software packages work. There's the main stuff > from the main vendor (core) and layered products (contrib) which can > always be expected to work in combination with each other and with the > core. There are then retired (frozen) products which used to be part of > the core or contrib (basic stuff or layered products) and can still be > expected to work in the future (new stuff won't break them) but nothing > new is to be expected. Then there is all the use-at-your-own-risk third > party stuff. the difference with tex is that diversity has taken hold to such an enormous extent that even defining a useful core (such as the latex team did 5 years ago) was a huge undertaking. as things stand, we have 237 contrib/supported directories, 64 contrib/other (one of which is a `misc' directory). i regularly find myself installing new `supported' directories, with but the smallest inspection of what has been submitted -- there just isn't the time to do things like that. occasionally, i find myself installaing an `other' directory, which seems to me to cry out for installation in the `supported' set ... but life's too short for me to do other than i do -- i spend too much time on ctan as it is. > In summary, I think we need > > o frozen as a new category > > o moving essential stuff to the core > > o making the distinctions clear to all this, you perhaps (by now at least) realise, is an enormous set of tasks. ctan runs entirely on the voluntary effort of people who are paid to do other things; the latex team likewise -- i can't imagine where the effort to do it all would come from. if i could find a way to fund myself to sit at this desk for another 6 months, say, i guess i might make reasonable inroads into such a programme. [this is essentially impossible, in fact.] robin