X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["710" "Wed" "11" "November" "1998" "09:17:53" "GMT" "David Carlisle" "davidc@NAG.CO.UK" nil "22" "Re: XML (was quotes, a very long time ago)" "^Date:" nil nil "11" nil "XML (was quotes, a very long time ago)" nil nil nil] nil) Received: from listserv.gmd.de (listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.1]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27480; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:19:52 +0100 (MET) Received: from lsv1.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.2) by listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.44B691EE@listserv.gmd.de>; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:19:45 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 407354 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:18:42 +0100 Received: from nag.co.uk (openmath.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.16]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12777 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:18:26 +0100 (MET) Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id JAA16146; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:17:53 GMT References: <009CF091.2D3DA080.184@ROSE.IPM.AC.IR> <199811110017.BAA21015@wonko.kammer.uni-hannover.de> Message-ID: <199811110917.JAA16146@nag.co.uk> Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project In-Reply-To: <199811110017.BAA21015@wonko.kammer.uni-hannover.de> (message from Reinhard Kotucha on Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:17:10 +0100) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:17:53 GMT From: David Carlisle Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: XML (was quotes, a very long time ago) Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2841 > The first time I got in emacs, I could not get > out and killed the process from another session :))))) Since > then, when I use a piece of software, I first ask: how can one > get out of it? ;) > Why didn't you use the pull down menues? Wrong answer. Firstly If you started with emacs 18 as I did then you didn't get menus. well in later versions there was emacstool under sunview which had some kind of mouse support, but not in the style of emacs 19 and 20. The right answers are 1) You are not supposed to leave emacs until you power your machine down. 2) It is obvious that to leave an editor you type ^X ^C what else would it be? that works in all the editors I use. David