X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1657" "Mon" "9" "November" "1998" "13:26:24" "+0000" "Robin Fairbairns" "Robin.Fairbairns@CL.CAM.AC.UK" nil "39" "Re: Quotes, HTML, and FrontPage" "^Date:" nil nil "11" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from listserv.gmd.de (listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.1]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA31343; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 14:26:33 +0100 (MET) Received: from lsv1.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.2) by listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <10.6949DBCF@listserv.gmd.de>; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 14:26:32 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 407893 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 14:26:28 +0100 Received: from heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk (exim@heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk [128.232.32.11]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA27510 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 14:26:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from dorceus.cl.cam.ac.uk (cl.cam.ac.uk) [128.232.1.34] (rf) by heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zcrKs-00089H-00; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:26:26 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 09 Nov 1998 13:12:48 GMT." <98110913124818@man.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:26:24 +0000 From: Robin Fairbairns Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: Quotes, HTML, and FrontPage Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2784 > > > From what I understand with regard to Fortran standards, if you want a > > > copy of the standard, you have to pay a substantial sum to ISO. > > > > that sounds like a reasonable fine for those using Fortran. > > Well, it applies to ALL standards. as i said, it's terribly rare for sensible people to buy from iso. what's more, if iso ever does get involved in xml/xsl standardisation (and it would require a serious access of sanity in the relevant committees for this to happen) i wouldn't be at all surprised if the resulting standard appeared on the web. there's a precedent: vrml, which was once being touted as a serious part of the web, is iso-standardised and the iso standard is available from the web. > > you also have to buy newspapers and books and electricity and food. > > Yes, of course, I have no problem with this in principle (I use VMS not > linux and don't mind paying for the work someone has done). However, if > one USEs a standard, in practice one would need a copy, so it's either > pay money or do it illegally. this is of course tosh. i used to write standard fortran all the time, once, long ago. i had a little note (written by someone who knew) which told me which of the extensions available i should avoid. i have never read a fortran standard: fortran standards, by and large, are only of use to people writing fortran compilers. similarly, many sensible people write entirely reasonable latex on the basis of the `not so short intro' rather than the supposedly definitive lamport book. i have little doubt that similar documents are going to spring up in the xml world, if they don't already exist... r