X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1381" "Mon" "9" "November" "1998" "12:58:00" "+0000" "Sebastian Rahtz" "s.rahtz@ELSEVIER.CO.UK" nil "32" "Re: What is \"base\" LaTeX" "^Date:" nil nil "11" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from listserv.gmd.de (listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.1]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA23045; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:59:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from lsv1.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.2) by listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <5.ACE51463@listserv.gmd.de>; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:59:47 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 407706 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:59:37 +0100 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA19810 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:58:48 +0100 (MET) Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id MAA26487; hop 0; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 12:50:46 GMT Received: from srahtz (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 9 Nov 1998 12:58:29 +0000 X-Mailer: emacs 20.3.2 (via feedmail 9-beta-3 Q); VM 6.61 under Emacs 20.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199811061649.RAA18880@na6.mathematik.uni-tuebingen.de> <13894.46384.268699.379786@srahtz> <3646CC04.6171ADF1@na.uni-tuebingen.de> <13894.53699.585814.765836@srahtz> <3646DE15.11B3C148@na.uni-tuebingen.de> Message-ID: <13894.59096.241111.350977@srahtz> Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project In-Reply-To: <3646DE15.11B3C148@na.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 12:58:00 +0000 From: Sebastian Rahtz Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: What is "base" LaTeX Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2780 Marcel Oliver writes: > My basic claim is that base LaTeX is too narrowly defined, and therefore > causes a lot of the document exchange problems which seem to occur > frequently not only between author and publisher, but also between > different authors yup, i'd agree > Solution: Move the best-of-breed third-party packages into the > LaTeX core distribution. For mathematical publishing the choice well, AMSLaTeX *is* core, isnt it? i think the big thing that should move to "packages" is natbib... > - The biggest mess of all is the front matter. I remember this has > been discussed before on this list. Did anything ever result from > that discussion? presumably not, or we would have heard about it. i agree 100% its needed. solving this would be a major step forward. Chris and Frank, now step forward and say "yes, but it all _depends_, where is the precise specification of the problem etc etc etc"..... if you ask me, its a case for a _de facto_ standard, if someone strong-minded steps forward > comes to solving concrete problems, but don't offer much guidance for > how to write documents that are intended for submission to publishers, > or require easy exchange in loosely organized (academic) > collaborations. perhaps some of us believe that writing such a book would encourage a process we believe is retrograde :-} sebastian