X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["934" "Mon" "20" "October" "1997" "15:53:12" "+0200" "Hans Aberg" "haberg@MATEMATIK.SU.SE" nil "18" "Re: von v. van der" "^Date:" nil nil "10" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from listserv.gmd.de (listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.1]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19203; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:54:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from lsv1.listserv.gmd.de by listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <13.CE8790A2@listserv.gmd.de>; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:53:44 +0200 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 218453 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:53:30 +0200 Received: from mail.nada.kth.se (root@mail.nada.kth.se [130.237.222.92]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA11623 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:53:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from [130.237.37.46] (sl93.modempool.kth.se [130.237.37.119]) by mail.nada.kth.se (8.8.7/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA17952 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:53:24 +0200 (MET DST) X-Sender: su95-hab@mail.nada.kth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:53:12 +0200 From: Hans Aberg Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: von v. van der Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2481 Maarten Gelderman : >The `van' problem can never be countered by a computer program, >unless you specify the language with each author name. Americans >generally treat the van part as a part of their last name. In dutch >van etc are not used to put items in alphabetical order... May I point out that there is a difference in displaying the author name and the way a name should be sorted in an index: An author would expect their name to be displayed as they are used to, normally as that of their own language, whereas in an index, the best way is to sort is according to the rules of the language of the readership (so the readership is "English" if the publication is in English"). (Because otherwise it can be difficult to find someone in the index.) Hans Aberg * Email: Hans Aberg * AMS member listing: