X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1720" "Tue" "14" "October" "1997" "13:55:10" "+0100" "Robin Fairbairns" "Robin.Fairbairns@CL.CAM.AC.UK" nil "43" "Re: LaTeX journal and publisher macros" "^Date:" nil nil "10" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from listserv.gmd.de (listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.1]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA21618; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:55:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from lsv1.listserv.gmd.de by listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <6.B1CC307A@listserv.gmd.de>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:55:37 +0200 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 214911 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:55:24 +0200 Received: from heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk (exim@heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk [128.232.32.11]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA00541 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:55:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from dorceus.cl.cam.ac.uk [128.232.1.34] (rf) by heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.70 #3) id 0xL6VE-0004cq-00; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:55:12 +0100 Message-ID: Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:28:57 +0200." Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:55:10 +0100 From: Robin Fairbairns Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: LaTeX journal and publisher macros Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2467 Hans Aberg writes: > The correct way to understand if various object oriented techniques and > such are the right things, is to make a research prototype and then > experiment with that: Such techniques are otherwise difficult to > understand. What I said was, that Hans's proposal was interesting but that I hadn't concluded that it was the `right way forward'. I meant exactly what I said: I didn't mean I didn't understand it. I'm attracted by the constructs that David Carlisle produced in his frontmatter proposal, which addresses the problem in a slightly different way. David's proposal wins (IMHO) if we're not likely to run out of name space. If we are likely to run out of name space, Hans's proposal (which I would identify with @InCollection{saltzer:names, author = "Saltzer, J. H.", title = "Naming and {B}inding of {O}bjects\nocite{bayer:os-advanced}", crossref = "bayer:os-advanced", chapter = "3.A", pages = "100--208" } @Book{bayer:os-advanced, title = "Operating Systems: an Advanced Course", publisher = "Springer-Verlag", year = 1979, editor = "Bayer, R. and Graham, R. M. and Seegmuller, G.", volume = 60, series = "LNCS" } which is the classic naming paper) comes into its own. There is no problem in my mind with implementing Hans's suggestion (though I would be interested to see his implementation). There is a problem with knowing whether it's necessary. I believe it imposes an extra burden of understanding on the user (and hence of documentation on the implementor), so I don't want to rush into its use without being entirely sure that it's the right thing. Robin