X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["2060" "Tue" "14" "October" "1997" "11:27:06" "+0100" "Robin Fairbairns" "Robin.Fairbairns@CL.CAM.AC.UK" nil "49" "Re: LaTeX journal and publisher macros" "^Date:" nil nil "10" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from listserv.gmd.de (listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.1]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA22753; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:27:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from lsv1.listserv.gmd.de by listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.F89EB428@listserv.gmd.de>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:27:16 +0200 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 214806 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:27:11 +0200 Received: from heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk (exim@heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk [128.232.32.11]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA20719 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:27:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from dorceus.cl.cam.ac.uk [128.232.1.34] (rf) by heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.70 #3) id 0xL4Bw-0006T1-00; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:27:08 +0100 Message-ID: Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:45:38 BST." <2749-Tue14Oct1997104538+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:27:06 +0100 From: Robin Fairbairns Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: LaTeX journal and publisher macros Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2461 Sebastian Rahtz writes, quoting Boris Veytsman: > > Actually BibTeX has a very subtle algorithm of dealing with author names; > > I think it is possible to reimplement it in TeX for journal styles. > > While I (sort of) admire BibTeX's system for second-guessing surnames, > I have always found it confusing as an author, and as a processor of > other peoples .bib files. [...] I wholeheartedly agree with Sebastian. In addition, I feel that the BibTeX algorithm is seriously slanted towards European languages (more precisely, languages whose impact was felt in the USA prints at the time BibTeX was being designed). I suspect it's inadequate to `world- wide publishing' -- is Oren listening to this list? -- or can someone else comment on whether the eagerly-awaited BibTeX v1.0 is going to extend the algorithm anywhere? Hans Aberg suggested: > This can be sorted out by ideas of object orientation: Class A uses local > names A/foo, and class B uses local names B/foo; thus they do not clash. And then shows how such a technique might be used. An interesting idea, but I can't convince myself that it's the `right' way forward. He asked: > I have done programming in this style. -- But I am not sure if TeX > getting slow by long names. I don't think that's an important issue at this stage -- and by the time a LaTeX3 is released we will (or ought to) be even less concerned about CPU cycles... Marcel Oliver said: > Is the APS involved in this discussion? Not so long ago they > used RevTeX which apparently has compatibility problems > with LaTeX (I don't have any personal experience). I > remember hearing that they were working on an update. I would hope that the APS _is_ at least monitoring the discussion, but if they are, I would suggest they're keeping remarkably quiet. However, being as how it's now more than two years since I was first told that a RevTeX2e was imminent, I've rather given up waiting for its actual appearance... Maybe they believe that the revtex.cls that Patrick Daly mentioned _is_ RevTeX2e? Robin