X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["2067" "Fri" "4" "July" "1997" "13:54:04" "+0100" "Sebastian Rahtz" "s.rahtz@ELSEVIER.CO.UK" nil "39" "Re: Availability of Class files (was: LaTeX3 goals)" "^Date:" nil nil "7" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from listserv.gmd.de (listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.1]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA29290; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 14:53:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from lsv1.listserv.gmd.de by listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <1.74EE7A9A@listserv.gmd.de>; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 14:53:11 +0200 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 163544 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 14:53:07 +0200 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id OAA05247 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 14:52:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA26412 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 13:48:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from cadair.elsevier.co.uk by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 4 Jul 1997 13:54:12 +0100 Received: from lochnagarn.elsevier.co.uk (lochnagarn.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.216.1]) by cadair.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00309 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 13:54:09 +0100 (BST) Received: (from srahtz@localhost) by lochnagarn.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA16886; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 13:54:04 +0100 (BST) References: <199707031746.KAA00247@math.uci.edu> <199707041205.OAA07322@centre.univ-orleans.fr> <33BCEAD2.F2BDAB97@berlin.netsurf.de> Message-ID: <199707041254.NAA16886@lochnagarn.elsevier.co.uk> Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project In-Reply-To: <33BCEAD2.F2BDAB97@berlin.netsurf.de> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 13:54:04 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: Availability of Class files (was: LaTeX3 goals) Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2264 > written for plain TeX (acctually CONTeXT), but supports LaTeX (i.e. sty > files, ifx when loading PiCTeX and using the \f@size [latex2e] and > \@point [latex209]). This package would be latex4. CONTeXT is a rather special case, as its effectively a rewrite of the ideas of LaTeX with some modules that can be used with LaTeX. i wouldn't classify it here at all, excellent tho it is. its "context1" on its own > 'not must have' and 'must have' depends also from the point of view: > if I don't need e.g. chemical formulars, than these packages are not a > `non must have'(latex3-4). For chemists those are real 'must haves' > (latex1). in my book, one or two good chemical packages will be in 2b; one can argue about which ones, but do you want us to keep chemstruct there for ever? the LaTeX Companion effectively classified packages in the way we are describing, by including a set of `known good and useful' material. it descended from the CERN local guide. we all do, why pretend otherwise? any of us who maintains a TeX setup for others keeps a set of packages available, and recommends them to people. when people come to me and say `how do i do Harvard references', i don't say `well here are 6 packages which have worked once, try for yourself', i say `use natbib'. i am sure most of us say to people, `use the graphics package, stop using epsf.sty/boxedart/psfig/psbox etc etc', dont we?? of course, in some cases we say `you choose between ppchtex and xymtex, it depends on your needs and working methods', but often not. Bias? Aggressive to package writers? Sure. When I recommend a novel to you, I say `I think Antonia Byatt is a very good writer, I think you should read Possesssion', i don't say `i have 500 novels in my house, pick one, any one, i won't advise you'. Some friends who know more than me read the reviews, go to the bookshop etc, others are pleased to have a recommendation. Antonia Byatt won the Booker Prize for Possession, that makes it a `book1' package, does that mean we shouldnt give prizes? sebastian `fascist' rahtz