X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["2326" "Thu" "26" "June" "1997" "12:46:58" "+0200" "Chris Rowley" "C.A.Rowley@OPEN.AC.UK" nil "56" "Re: what is a latex command" "^Date:" nil nil "6" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from listserv.gmd.de (listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.1]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09564; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 12:47:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from lsv1.listserv.gmd.de by listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <14.A1977676@listserv.gmd.de>; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 12:47:55 +0200 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 159653 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 12:47:50 +0200 Received: from ixgate02.dfnrelay.d400.de (ixgate02.dfnrelay.d400.de [193.174.248.2]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id MAA13266 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 12:47:47 +0200 (MET DST) X400-Received: by mta d400relay in /PRMD=dfnrelay/ADMD=d400/C=de/; Relayed; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 12:47:17 +0200 X400-Received: by mta venus in /PRMD=uk.ac/ADMD= /C=gb/; Relayed; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 12:45:12 +0200 X400-Received: by mta fell.open.ac.uk in /PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/; Relayed; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 12:43:58 +0200 X400-Received: by mta UK.AC.MHS-RELAY.SUN2 in /PRMD=uk.ac/ADMD= /C=gb/; Relayed; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 12:46:58 +0200 X400-Originator: C.A.Rowley@open.ac.uk X400-Recipients: non-disclosure:; X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<199706261043.LAA02841@fell.open] X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 (22) Content-Identifier: Re: what is a... Alternate-Recipient: Allowed References: , <199706202212.AAA03367@frank.zdv.uni-mainz.de>, <199706251348.OAA22853@knott.elsevier.co.uk>, <199706260908.KAA24440@knott.elsevier.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <199706261043.LAA02841@fell.open.ac.uk> Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project In-Reply-To: <199706260908.KAA24440@knott.elsevier.co.uk> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 12:46:58 +0200 From: Chris Rowley Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: what is a latex command Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2203 Sebastian Rahtz wrote -- > > > > http://www.cs.cornell.edu/Info/People/raman/raman.html > > > not, of course, a full LaTeX interpreter > > > > Of course?? I defer to your detailed knowledge. > I don't think Raman ever claimed to be able to process arbitrary LaTeX; > yes, i talked to him about it in 1995 Ah well, I sent him lots of things to render and he did them all (also in 1995). > > > I think you (and maybe they, but maybe not) misunderstand MathML. One > > of the many requirements for the success of MathML is considered (by > > its creators, amongst others) to be applications that can parse > > "TeX" and turn it into MathML. > really? you do surprise me. but thats for legacy purposes, or ongoing > input? Elsevier's latex2sgml will do the job just fine for you :-} ongoing input, for the reasons other people have described on this list: lots of people now like to write in TeX, especially maths; I do not claim to understand this phneomenon but some of my best friends ... and all that. > > but i just dont see what you imagine will happen for author X. I am really describing other people's imaginations: and they do seem rather confused. > do they > continue to author in LaTeX(3)? do they write SGML with embedded > constrained TeX for maths? how do you see X working in 3 years? > will she really _see_ TeX code? Were I a betting person I would put quite a lot of money on there being a lot of people using comparatively dumb editors to enter LaTeX (and AMSTeX) code in 3 years time. I should like, for myself, a highly configurable, intelligent but liberal, teachable editor/environment that could understand my pathetic attempts to create masterpieces of mathematics and that could input/output in any reasonable standard format. But would anything from the TeX world count as a "reasonable standard format"? The pragmatic answer to this question now and in 3 years is: somehow "TeX" has to be in this list since it is a "major ad hoc standard". I am Not answering all your questions, I know. I do not think there is one answer, and I do not think anyone knows. I am sure that such things will become more diverse and complex rather than less; but that is not a reason for not getting stuck in and producing useful standards and tools to make them accessible and useful. chris