X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1593" "Wed" "25" "June" "1997" "12:28:54" "+0100" "Sebastian Rahtz" "s.rahtz@ELSEVIER.CO.UK" nil "33" "Re: Usage of (La)TeX (was: Multilingual TeX)" "^Date:" nil nil "6" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from VZDMZY.ZDV.UNI-MAINZ.DE (vzdmzy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.178.25]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07116; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 16:25:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by MZDMZA.ZDV.UNI-MAINZ.DE (PMDF V5.0-4 #22141) id <01IKHP603VY8H8K76R@MZDMZA.ZDV.UNI-MAINZ.DE>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:32:47 +0100 Received: from listserv.gmd.de (listserv.gmd.de) by MZDMZA.ZDV.UNI-MAINZ.DE (PMDF V5.0-4 #22141) id <01IKHP2RX2CWH9SY6W@MZDMZA.ZDV.UNI-MAINZ.DE>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:30:10 +0100 Received: from lsv1.listserv.gmd.de by listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <6.2BFCEBBE@listserv.gmd.de>; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:28:46 +0200 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 159501 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:28:36 +0200 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id NAA02206 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:28:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14558 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:24:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from cadair.elsevier.co.uk by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP) ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:29:20 +0100 Received: from knott.elsevier.co.uk (knott.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.165]) by cadair.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA13575 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:29:14 +0100 (BST) Received: (from srahtz@localhost) by knott.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.3/8.8.5) id MAA22697; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:28:54 +0100 (BST) In-reply-to: <199706251043.MAA04644@murnau.idris.fr> Reply-to: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Message-id: <199706251128.MAA22697@knott.elsevier.co.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <199706250907.KAA22558@knott.elsevier.co.uk> <199706251043.MAA04644@murnau.idris.fr> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:28:54 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: Usage of (La)TeX (was: Multilingual TeX) Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2183 > seems to be widely admited: 20 000 000 of LaTeX users worldwile > and 30 000 000 of Word users. Um, where is this `widely admitted'? its not a figure I have ever seen before. > I don't agree with those who cry about the decline of TeX in the world. > This is absolutely wrong around me, specially in France. Its hard for me to comment, since I know so few people who use TeX (outside the circle of people with whom I correspond about it, like on this list). Even sticking to academica, where my acquaintances are largely in archaeology and computer science, I only know a couple of people who persist with TeX; they are either purists (ie they put explicit kerns in everything they write), or they need specific features (like advanced math or, say, Z schemas). Otherwise they use a word-processor, thanks very much, since it does the job almost as well. Of course this is all `hearsay', but _can_ comment on the number of MSS submitted to this publisher in LaTeX form - its declining. I help a project called The Lexicon of Greek Personal Names. Their product is typeset using LaTeX (Yannis H made it look even better for them recently); but do they use LaTeX for their letters and reports? do they heck. They use TeX as a black box, prepared for them by the infamous document formatting professionals (myself and Yannis), not as a way of life. I entirely take the point that maths people communicate via email by saying `x \over y'; wonderful, fine, TeX can live for ever in the world of mathematicians. Relevance to the main body of humanity? Sebastian