X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1697" "Sat" "21" "June" "1997" "12:42:20" "+0000" "Michel Lavaud Orleans (France)" "Michel.Lavaud@UNIV-ORLEANS.FR" nil "37" "Re: ideal future document processing" "^Date:" nil nil "6" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from listserv.gmd.de (listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.1]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA05334; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 12:50:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from lsv1.listserv.gmd.de by listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.18B800F2@listserv.gmd.de>; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 12:50:01 +0200 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 157341 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 12:49:56 +0200 Received: from centre.univ-orleans.fr (centre.univ-orleans.fr [192.33.145.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id MAA28532 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 12:49:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from gremi96.univ-orleans.fr (gremi96.univ-orleans.fr [193.49.77.96]) by centre.univ-orleans.fr (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA10544 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 12:53:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-ID: <199706211053.MAA10544@centre.univ-orleans.fr> Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Comments: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 12:42:20 +0000 From: "Michel Lavaud Orleans (France)" Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: ideal future document processing Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2156 Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > Is there an adequate reason to move away from TeX? If not, then > > authoring tools should be TeX-based. > yes, there is a reason. it promotes abuse (mixing typesetting with > structure), and its not very amenable to validation. well, all the > reasons SGML was invented.... Mixing typesetting with structure might be considered as an abuse from the publisher's point of view, as it makes his work of uniformization of articles harder. But from the author's point of view, I think that mixing typesetting with structure is a necessity in the process of creating an article: The structure of the document in its first stages is indicated with punctuation marks, and typesetting indications such as \smallskip, \hspace{2cm}, \bf or whatever extend the set of punctuation marks available, and provide a convenient visual way to refine the structure. This mimicks exactly what one does when writing an article by hand. Using SGML predefined types of structures in early stages of writing an article would be too heavy, and would prevent the author from concentrating on the contents of his article - which is the really important point. To summarize my opinion, I would compare (La)TeX to alcohol and SGML to formol: TeX helps authors to create their articles, while SGML helps publishers to embalm articles in their definitive versions. As far as I am concerned: as an author, I would hate to have to drink formol and I prefer to stick to (and develop) TeX-based authoring tools. And thanks to the LaTeX3 team and their beautiful work, even if they promote abuse (mixing of alcohol with structure). Michel Lavaud (lavaud@univ-orleans.fr)