X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1057" "Wed" "18" "June" "1997" "13:29:26" "+0100" "Sebastian Rahtz" "s.rahtz@ELSEVIER.CO.UK" nil "24" "Re: ideal future document processing environment" "^Date:" nil nil "6" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from VZDMZY.ZDV.UNI-MAINZ.DE (vzdmzy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.178.25]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA11857; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 15:57:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by MZDMZA.ZDV.UNI-MAINZ.DE (PMDF V5.0-4 #22141) id <01IK7Z5HJD3KH8JZKN@MZDMZA.ZDV.UNI-MAINZ.DE>; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 14:30:46 +0100 Received: from listserv.gmd.de (listserv.gmd.de) by MZDMZA.ZDV.UNI-MAINZ.DE (PMDF V5.0-4 #22141) id <01IK7Z5CQK5SH640HG@MZDMZA.ZDV.UNI-MAINZ.DE>; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 14:30:42 +0100 Received: from lsv1.listserv.gmd.de by listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <12.7768C472@listserv.gmd.de>; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 14:29:17 +0200 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 155263 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 14:29:11 +0200 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id OAA20916 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 14:29:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA02070 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:25:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from cadair.elsevier.co.uk by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP) ; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:29:31 +0100 Received: from lochnagarn.elsevier.co.uk (lochnagarn.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.216.1]) by cadair.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA17725 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:29:29 +0100 (BST) Received: (from srahtz@localhost) by lochnagarn.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA17775; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:29:26 +0100 (BST) In-reply-to: <199706181201.NAA05759@fell.open.ac.uk> Reply-to: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Message-id: <199706181229.NAA17775@lochnagarn.elsevier.co.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <199706171750.SAA03440@fell.open.ac.uk> <199706171806.OAA27185@fenris.math.albany.edu> <199706181201.NAA05759@fell.open.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:29:26 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: ideal future document processing environment Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2099 > Classic TeX must remain unchanged and be used for ever. > > Classic here means: pk cm (note not ec) fonts; hand entry with dumb > editors; nothing hyper; ... > > Somewhat worrying? > It strikes me that these groups who back themselves into corners (like those who use VMS, FORTRAN, Basic, black and white TV, etc) change very quickly when they change, because they are at the mercy of other people. Sure, they _can_ keep their frozen TeX setups, but do they have total control over their environment? Are they keeping it up to snuff when their machines/OSes change? Remember, to take a small example, that while TeX is frozen, dvi drivers are not,so you cannot rely on PK fonts for ever. So in my future vision, when the redneckTeXxies go, they'll go fast. Legacy data, you'll say. To which I say `pshaw!'. People overestimate the worth of that collection of stuff, IMHO. We are constantly losing cooked information and raw data, do not pretend otherwise. Legacy data is worth what people will pay for it, it has no absolute value. Sebastian