X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1449" "Mon" "16" "June" "1997" "17:29:02" "+0100" "Sebastian Rahtz" "s.rahtz@ELSEVIER.CO.UK" nil "35" "Re: use of e-tex" "^Date:" nil nil "6" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from listserv.gmd.de (listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.1]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA14471; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:40:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from lsv1.listserv.gmd.de by listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <11.39A32284@listserv.gmd.de>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:40:28 +0200 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 154340 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:40:22 +0200 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id SAA15585 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:40:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA07440 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:25:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from cadair.elsevier.co.uk by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:29:03 +0100 Received: from knott.elsevier.co.uk (knott.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.165]) by cadair.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA07668 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:28:55 +0100 (BST) Received: (from srahtz@localhost) by knott.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.3/8.8.5) id RAA16667; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:29:02 +0100 (BST) References: <199706161550.RAA01752@murnau.idris.fr> Message-ID: <199706161629.RAA16667@knott.elsevier.co.uk> Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project In-Reply-To: <199706161550.RAA01752@murnau.idris.fr> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:29:02 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: use of e-tex Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2058 > and so on... I respect the work done by the NTS group, as > well as the LaTeX group, and the Omega guys. All these groups so do i, enormously. > they go and move and this is terribly unpolite to reduce > their work to an amusing task without interest. No ! i am sorry if i at least seemed unpolite. i hope that all the parties concerned know both Frank and myself in person, and know that the intention is not to ridicule their work > I support definitely all that work, they go each one in a good > direction, that's all we need. Another time, in a better life, > we'll see the convergent point, as we discover now that ... > Please accept each other and don't fight like this, it's > absolutely stupid and unproductive. i am all in favour of not fighting, indeed! equally, if people choose to put their work in front of the public, they should be prepared to be told what others think, no? i am sure that Phil, for instance, would be the first to agree that what e-TeX needs very much is use and criticism of their work. and I do think we have to be realistic. while TeX is flourishing in many areas, it is clearly in a decline in others, and its `market share' has decreased from its high point of (when? 1990?). can any of you in Europe or America point to a _growth_ in TeX?[1] Sebastian [1] I exclude eastern Europe, Russia, far east, what have you, because they are so badly served by M'soft, and TeX is doing good work