X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["2111" "Fri" "18" "April" "1997" "11:39:09" "+0200" "Hans Aberg" "haberg@MATEMATIK.SU.SE" nil "45" "Re: Alternatives to LaTeX" "^Date:" nil nil "4" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from listserv.gmd.de (listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.1]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA14598; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:39:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from listserv.gmd.de by listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <4.9EE13126@listserv.gmd.de>; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:39:21 +0200 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 127063 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:39:18 +0200 Received: from mail.nada.kth.se (root@mail.nada.kth.se [130.237.222.92]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id LAA08844 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:39:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from [130.237.37.66] (sl46.modempool.kth.se [130.237.37.66]) by mail.nada.kth.se (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA23706 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:38:52 +0200 (MET DST) X-Sender: su95-hab@mail.nada.kth.se (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE id LAA14598 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:39:09 +0200 From: Hans Aberg Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: Alternatives to LaTeX Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1988 At 09:21 97-04-17, Robin Fairbairns wrote: [Regrading developing new math fonts/glyphs] >The chances of anyone doing more than synthesis are small: J"org >Knappen, for example, has dedicated a lot of effort to improving and >extending the DC, TC, and now the EC fonts, but is he going to be >willing to go on and upward to the huge area of maths encodings? If >not him, who? > >The real problem is that Metafont experts are few and far between; >designers who are also such experts are even rarer. And designers, >anyway, have this tendency to want to be paid for the work they do >while we're a small community that tends not to have money to throw >around... It strikes me that one could devlop math fonts/glyphs in line with the LaTeX principle of structured manuswriting, which could help such a development process: If you write a paper with say a Levi-Civita connection, then the best way is to first make a macro-name, say \LC, \LeviCivita, or \connection, or something, which could expand to any makeshift symbol. At a later point, one could substitute something better (like \def\LC{\hbox{\raise2pt\hbox{$\bigtriangledown$}}} or something). This sort of follows the same principle as typing \em for emphasis, or the principles for choosing an international set of characters. (One difference thou, is that new math concepts are being invented, so one would need pay special attention to that.) TeX consists of a jumble of these two different ideas, selecting a glyph, that is a typeset output, and choosing a semantically correct typing input. For example $\emptyset$ produces a specific rendering of the empty set symbol, but now, there is another AMS-fonts alternative, $\varnothing$. So here one should really have one name for the empty set concept, and then one could choose rendering of it. This sort of bring us back to ideas presented here earlier, by Jörg Knappen, Barbara Beeton, and others, (discussions about standard for gcd, differentials, etc) but then it was not very explicit. Has one discussed of introducing such a feature in the LaTeX3 project? Hans Aberg