X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["3319" "Sun" "6" "April" "1997" "10:58:23" "-0700" "Marcel Oliver" "oliver@MATH.UCI.EDU" nil "74" "Re: International documents" "^Date:" nil nil "4" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from listserv.gmd.de (listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.1]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA13129; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 19:58:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from listserv.gmd.de by listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <3.610C27FF@listserv.gmd.de>; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 19:58:37 +0200 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 121222 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 19:58:29 +0200 Received: from math.uci.edu (root@math.uci.edu [128.200.174.70]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id TAA05479 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 19:58:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from rasha.math.uci.edu by math.uci.edu (8.8.5) id KAA19379; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 10:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rasha.math.uci.edu by rasha.math.uci.edu (8.8.5) id RAA10065; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 17:58:24 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <199703181933.TAA09294@rasha.math.uci.edu> <199703232040.VAA25736@puma.npc.de> <3341B518.2781@math.uci.edu> <199704051803.UAA09645@puma.npc.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <3347E43F.41C6@math.uci.edu> Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 10:58:23 -0700 From: Marcel Oliver Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: International documents Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1897 Joachim Schrod wrote: > > >>>>> "MO" == Marcel Oliver writes: > > MO> 2. There may be situations where letterspacing is > MO> required (by some higher power), and TeX/LaTeX is > MO> not well equipped to satisfy such demands. > > Why? TeX/LaTeX is well equipped for such tasks. If one needs it, one > needs a font that's specially designed for this demand (ligatures must > be taken care of, etc.) Then one switches the font for emphasis, just > like wo do normally. VF files might be a first step towards such > fonts, though I'm rather sure that stems must be changed if we change > glyph distances. That's what I mean. It requires an effort which is in no proportion to the desired effect. In two instances where I was hacking some class files in the past which demanded letterspacing (for reasons beyond my control, which I therefore don't want to justify) I lost lots of time getting it to work. Both instances could eventually be handled by Phil Taylor's letterspace package, or modifications thereof, but I wouldn't call this "well equipped", it's essentially a clever hack. Moreover, switching to letter-spaced fonts has two disadvantages: - A class cannot be written independent of the fonts used in the document (unless a letterspaced font family will become part of the standard font set, which is probably overkill since in most instances letterspacing is considered "bad" typesetting anyway...) - Apart from the example I gave where letterspacing is used as emphasis (which I mentioned not because I want it, but because I have seen it used by some "authority"), the amount of spacing may not be known in advance. Therefore there may be a need for run-time letterspacing. I think there is no reason for being dogmatic about letterspacing, because TeX/LaTeX may be used for purposes not originally imagined by the authors. It should be at the discretion of the class or package designer to employ or not to employ particular features, not of LaTeX itself to make certain features practically a pain. Marcel > PS: On the topic of typographical quality, Marcel wrote > > MO> At least the books by Taeubner Verlag do it like this. > > If you mean the Informatik-Reihe -- they don't typeset at all, but > take camera-ready copy from the authors. I don't know about other > series, but I would not take the output of a computer books publisher > as a shining example for typesetting. Several well-known large > publishing houses belong to my customers -- many producers there > (responsible for house styles, etc.!) don't even know what a Geviert > (german for `quad') is... Neither would I take the Duden as a model, > as brought up by Richard. By explicit will of its authors its content > is descriptive, not prescriptive. > Books like `Kaeufers Setzerlehrbuch', used for education of > Typesetter's Masters (correct? Setzermeister), books by Tschichold, > Aicher, Morris, etc., are better to learn from. I am talking about Teubner's (sorry about the spelling in my previous mail) Reihe "Mathematische Leitfaeden", in particular Heuser: Funktionalanalysis and Wloka: Partielle Differentialgleichungen. Both boods are typeset books from the 80s of this century, not "camera-ready" low-budget productions. I leave it to the experts to judge the design.