X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1355" "Wed" "26" "February" "1997" "22:15:44" "+0100" "Frank Mittelbach" "Frank.Mittelbach@UNI-MAINZ.DE" nil "33" "Re: International documents" "^Date:" nil nil "2" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from listserv.gmd.de (listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.1]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id BAA20154 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 01:37:36 +0100 (MET) Received: from listserv.gmd.de by listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <10.45D1BED6@listserv.gmd.de>; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 1:37:36 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 106141 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 01:37:31 +0100 Received: from kralle.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (kralle.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.158]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id BAA21813 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 01:37:29 +0100 (MET) Received: from frank.zdv.uni-mainz.de (Ufrank@localhost) by kralle.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id BAA13188 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 01:36:43 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: kralle.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE: Ufrank set sender to frank.zdv.uni-mainz.de!latex3 using -f Received: (from latex3@localhost) by frank.zdv.uni-mainz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA00534; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 22:15:44 +0100 References: <01IFT3T4S56A68QYWN@MZDMZA.ZDV.UNI-MAINZ.DE> Message-ID: <199702262115.WAA00534@frank.zdv.uni-mainz.de> Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project In-Reply-To: <01IFT3T4S56A68QYWN@MZDMZA.ZDV.UNI-MAINZ.DE> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 22:15:44 +0100 From: Frank Mittelbach Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: International documents Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1840 J%org Knappen Mainz writes: > Here is one point not mentioned explicitly yet: > > Depending on language and typesetting tradition, one wants to configure the > following two things easily: > > a) The bullets of the itemize environment (afaik, french.sty already does > this) > > b) The counterstyles in the enumerate environment > > The current interface to those is clumsy, at least. both points are probably well taken. In fact there is one TeX format (LamsTeX) that goes an awful long way to provide the user with something like cardinal and ordinal number, eg where you can say \cardinal{17} to get the string seventeen and \ordinal{7} to get seventh, \ordinal{101} to get 101st and \ordinal{102} to get 102nd. --- you might not want to know how complicated the coding is. Now clearly this is another border case and i think nearly nobody would bother to actually type \ordinal{7} in the middle of the text normally. However one can see applications, eg referencing list items using special forms of \ref, the items themselves, etc. I have seen requests for such functionality I'm not arguring that something like this should be provided by default as an addition to things like \alph \roman etc but it is certainly something that might be considered as an optional package and if so it would be very much language dependent. frank