X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1249" "Tue" "18" "July" "1995" "15:13:39" "+0200" "Chris Rowley" "C.A.Rowley@OPEN.AC.UK" nil "33" "Re: 4 small packages of basic 2e code made available" "^Date:" nil nil "7" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from MZDMZA.ZDV.UNI-MAINZ.DE (vzdmzj.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.16]) by trudi.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA23469 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:25:49 +0200 Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by MZDMZA.ZDV.UNI-MAINZ.DE (PMDF V5.0-3 #4432) id <01HT0QRMUX8G90MZ93@MZDMZA.ZDV.UNI-MAINZ.DE> for schoepf@goofy.zdv.uni-mainz.de; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:25:03 +0100 Received: from listserv.gmd.de (listserv.gmd.de) by MZDMZA.ZDV.UNI-MAINZ.DE (PMDF V5.0-3 #4432) id <01HT0QRLB4N48WWAHT@MZDMZA.ZDV.UNI-MAINZ.DE> for schoepf@Uni-Mainz.DE; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:25:00 +0100 Received: from listserv.gmd.de by listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v0.1a) with SMTP id 1A52D1D4 ; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:24:56 +0200 Received: from VM.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by VM.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 3439 for LATEX-L@VM.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:24:18 +0000 Received: from DHDURZ1 (NJE origin SMTP@DHDURZ1) by VM.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 7538; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:23:18 +0000 Received: from ixgate01.dfnrelay.d400.de by vm.urz.Uni-Heidelberg.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:23:16 +0100 (CET) X400-Received: by mta d400relay in /PRMD=dfnrelay/ADMD=d400/C=de/; Relayed; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:17:19 +0200 X400-Received: by /PRMD=uk.ac/ADMD= /C=gb/; Relayed; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:14:38 +0200 X400-Received: by /PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/; Relayed; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:13:39 +0200 X400-Received: by /PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/; Relayed; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:13:39 +0200 Alternate-recipient: Allowed Reply-to: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Message-id: <"14153 Tue Jul 18 14:15:01 1995"@mhs-relay.ac.uk> X-VMS-To: MAIL1::"LATEX-L@VM.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE" X-VMS-Cc: CA_ROWLEY Content-identifier: Re: 4 small p... MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X400-Content-type: P2-1984 (2) X400-MTS-identifier: [/PRMD=uk.ac/ADMD= /C=gb/;sun.mhs-re.130:18.06.95.13.14.38] X400-Originator: C.A.Rowley@open.ac.uk X400-Recipients: non-disclosure:; Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:13:39 +0200 From: Chris Rowley Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: 4 small packages of basic 2e code made available Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1694 I should like to pick up from the two desiderata Matt suggested: > 1) it is very desirable for every user to be easily able to get an > identical dvi file from this document. > > 2) it is very desirable for an > individual user or site to be able to easily get a different dvi > file from the same document. I agree with these but would add a third that is consequent on these two and at least equally desirable: 3) it is then essential that everyone involved clearly knows which of these equally desirable choices is (or was) made. This involves a clear distinction being made between invoking standard LaTeX and invoking anything else on it, at least at the following three stages: a: When the command/menu-item is invoked: the act of using non-standard LaTeX must be clearly distinguished; b: When the file is being processed: the use of non-standard LaTeX must be clearly proclaimed to the user; c: When the log-file is examined: what is written at the beginning of the log file must clearly show when non-standard LaTeX has been used. There may well be other important ways in which the distinction should be made clear; but we do need to agree that, if both 1) and 2) are to be supported then 3) is essential. chris