X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["862" "Sat" "15" "July" "1995" "14:30:21" "+0200" "Chris Rowley" "C.A.Rowley@OPEN.AC.UK" nil "21" "Re: 4 small packages of basic 2e code made available" "^Date:" nil nil "7" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from MZDMZA.ZDV.UNI-MAINZ.DE (vzdmzg.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.178.7]) by trudi.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA22111 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 14:32:32 +0200 Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by MZDMZA.ZDV.UNI-MAINZ.DE (PMDF V4.3-12 #4432) id <01HSWI288V9S9D4DZH@MZDMZA.ZDV.UNI-MAINZ.DE>; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 14:32:18 +0100 Received: from listserv.gmd.de by MZDMZA.ZDV.UNI-MAINZ.DE (PMDF V4.3-12 #4432) id <01HSWI2211GG8WW6PA@MZDMZA.ZDV.UNI-MAINZ.DE>; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 14:32:11 +0100 Received: from listserv.gmd.de by listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v0.1a) with SMTP id 3CF35F48 ; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 14:32:12 +0200 Received: from VM.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by VM.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 1476 for LATEX-L@VM.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 14:31:54 +0000 Received: from DHDURZ1 (NJE origin SMTP@DHDURZ1) by VM.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3153; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 14:30:48 +0000 Received: from ixgate01.dfnrelay.d400.de by vm.urz.Uni-Heidelberg.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Sat, 15 Jul 95 14:30:46 CET X400-Received: by mta d400relay in /PRMD=dfnrelay/ADMD=d400/C=de/; Relayed; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 14:32:26 +0200 X400-Received: by /PRMD=uk.ac/ADMD= /C=gb/; Relayed; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 14:30:27 +0200 X400-Received: by /PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/; Relayed; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 14:30:21 +0200 X400-Received: by /PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/; Relayed; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 14:30:21 +0200 Alternate-recipient: Allowed Reply-to: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Message-id: <"3915 Sat Jul 15 13:30:31 1995"@mhs-relay.ac.uk> X-Envelope-to: schoepf@goofy.zdv.uni-mainz.de X-VMS-To: MAIL1::"LATEX-L@VM.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE" X-VMS-Cc: CA_ROWLEY Content-identifier: Re: 4 small p... MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X400-Content-type: P2-1984 (2) X400-MTS-identifier: [/PRMD=uk.ac/ADMD= /C=gb/;sun.mhs-re.912:15.06.95.12.30.27] X400-Originator: C.A.Rowley@open.ac.uk X400-Recipients: non-disclosure:; Date: Sat, 15 Jul 1995 14:30:21 +0200 From: Chris Rowley Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: 4 small packages of basic 2e code made available Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1693 > > I am confident ('though I cannot locate the reference as I write) that > Leslie Lamport has written that this is perfectly acceptable behaviour, > and that LaTeX should be perceived as a document description language > rather than one which carries with it an exact specification of the > final printed output. Can anyone help in locating that reference? It is certainly true that this was one of the principles of LaTeX: that the language is descriptive and the same file can be formatted in different ways. However, the way LaTeX works, and the way it is used in practice, mean that doing this is not, now, practicable without making small changes to the documets header. Recent correspondence with Leslie suggests that he now also sees that the reality is different from the philosophical ideal; but he should perhaps be asked to clarify this. chris