X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1678" "Mon" " 4" "July" "1994" "10:45:33" "BST" "David Carlisle" "carlisle@cs.man.ac.uk" nil "36" "Re: The future of slides" "^Date:" nil nil "7" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from sc.ZIB-Berlin.DE by goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE with SMTP id AA19202 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 4 Jul 1994 15:45:36 +0200 Received: from dagobert.ZIB-Berlin.DE by sc.ZIB-Berlin.DE (4.1/SMI-4.0-sc/03.06.93) id AA02108; Mon, 4 Jul 94 15:45:33 +0200 Received: from sc.ZIB-Berlin.DE (mailserv) by dagobert.ZIB-Berlin.DE (4.1/SMI-4.0/24.6.93) id AA05256; Mon, 4 Jul 94 15:45:31 +0200 Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de by sc.ZIB-Berlin.DE (4.1/SMI-4.0-sc/03.06.93) id AA02101; Mon, 4 Jul 94 15:45:12 +0200 Received: from tubvm.cs.tu-berlin.de (tubvm.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.18.12]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA28103 for <@MAIL.CS.TU-BERLIN.DE:Schoepf@SC.ZIB-BERLIN.DE>; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 15:45:09 +0200 Message-Id: <199407041345.PAA28103@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de> Received: from TUBVM.CS.TU-BERLIN.DE by tubvm.cs.tu-berlin.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0373; Mon, 04 Jul 94 15:46:19 +0200 Received: from VM.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (NJE origin MAILER@DHDURZ1) by TUBVM.CS.TU-BERLIN.DE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0371; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 15:46:19 +0200 Received: from VM.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (NJE origin LISTSERV@DHDURZ1) by VM.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0253; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 11:44:51 +0000 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project In-Reply-To: <9407020834.AA13581@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> (message from Richard Walker on Sat, 2 Jul 1994 18:29:05 +1000) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 10:45:33 BST From: David Carlisle Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: The future of slides Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1632 > But I wonder if we could move towards incorporating some more > of the good features of FoilTeX and seminar. I think > we have learned a number of lessons from these packages > (cf. the colour support I mentioned, which came about > because of the co\"operation of FoilTeX's authors and > Tom Rokicki) that could be fed back into the slides class. Yes well slides class is a bit basic. but, both seminar and foiltex are being upgraded to 2e by their respective authors. Having such choices is of course a Good Thing. One of the sad things about current LaTeX usage is that most people (probably not most people on this list) associate LaTeX with article class documents (and slide class slides) and then complain that all LaTeX documents look alike. In The Companion, and in the free documentation coming with 2e we have tried to encourage the creation and use of alternative classes and packages, so as to exploit LaTeX's under-used ability to produce different designs from essentially the same (or at least similar) logical markup. So while I would agree that a LaTeX3 slide class could probably learn something from the features offered by foiltex & seminar, I think that The idea of having one all-purpose, official, slides (or article) class is essentially doomed. The standard classes should be powerful enough to be useable, but still small enough to be a `basis' on which people can build alternative classes. So having more powerful `non standard' alternative classes alongside a `standard' class should be seen as the norm rather than the exception. David (The above is not necessarily a `LaTeX3 project view' but a personal response to the quoted comment)