X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1359" "Thu" "10" "February" "1994" "20:03:21" "GMT" "Sebastian Rahtz" "spqr@FTP.TEX.AC.UK" "<199402102010.AA00356@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de>" "28" "Re: On compatibility in LaTeX2e [was: Re: keyed options lis" "^Date:" nil nil "2" "1994021020:03:21" "On compatibility in LaTeX2e [was: Re: keyed options lis" nil "<9402101543.AA13116@ftp.tex.ac.uk>"]) Return-Path: Received: from sc.ZIB-Berlin.DE (mailserv) by dagobert.ZIB-Berlin.DE (4.1/SMI-4.0/24.6.93) id AA18442; Thu, 10 Feb 94 21:11:12 +0100 Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de by sc.ZIB-Berlin.DE (4.1/SMI-4.0-sc/03.06.93) id AA04304; Thu, 10 Feb 94 21:10:12 +0100 Received: from tubvm.cs.tu-berlin.de by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de with SMTP id AA00356 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4(mail.m4[1.12]) for <@MAIL.CS.TU-BERLIN.DE:Schoepf@SC.ZIB-BERLIN.DE>); Thu, 10 Feb 1994 21:10:10 +0100 Message-Id: <199402102010.AA00356@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de> Received: from TUBVM.CS.TU-BERLIN.DE by tubvm.cs.tu-berlin.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6169; Thu, 10 Feb 94 21:09:58 +0200 Received: from VM.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (NJE origin MAILER@DHDURZ1) by TUBVM.CS.TU-BERLIN.DE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 6168; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 21:09:57 +0200 Received: from VM.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (NJE origin LISTSERV@DHDURZ1) by VM.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1501; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 21:09:23 +0000 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project In-Reply-To: <9402101543.AA13116@ftp.tex.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 20:03:21 GMT From: Sebastian Rahtz Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: On compatibility in LaTeX2e [was: Re: keyed options lis Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1528 Mike Piff writes: > > I feel betrayed by the LaTeX core team. After their brilliant > contributions to LaTeX with nfss and the things mentioned above, > also doc and docstrip. Now we have unnecessary experimental changes > in LaTeX2e. (And there is *no* mathematical significance in a i don't feel betrayed, i feel very grateful that so many clever people work for free on my behalf. if i want something different from what they offer me, i'll write it myself, as many people have done (maybe Mike should try Lolliop?) > *code* rather than talk. Also probably an attempt to see if things > were possible, rather than deciding what the syntax might be. good lord. i dont think i could disagree more with this desire for the worst kind of unplanned creeeping featurism.... i feel boggled. > Perhaps the core team is too small, I don't know, but it seems as if this > number of individuals on LaTeX-L should be capable of producing more than > this after all that time. And this size project needs more than a half dozen > individuals working on it, maybe. i could get angry here. i'll just suggest Mike starts raising funds to pay this giant team of hackers he wants. > Sorry, but I feel as though LaTeX has lost direction. I can only hope that i know Frank doesn't need votes, but once again i vote that LaTeX has *found* direction. Sebastian