X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["2178" "Wed" " 2" "February" "1994" "22:06:00" "+0000" "Paul Taylor" "pt@DOC.IC.AC.UK" "<199402022207.AA29168@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de>" "52" "\"No file Ueuf.fd\"" "^Date:" nil nil "2" "1994020222:06:00" "\"No file Ueuf.fd\"" nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from sc.ZIB-Berlin.DE (mailserv) by dagobert.ZIB-Berlin.DE (4.1/SMI-4.0/24.6.93) id AA27602; Wed, 2 Feb 94 23:07:48 +0100 Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de by sc.ZIB-Berlin.DE (4.1/SMI-4.0-sc/03.06.93) id AA19365; Wed, 2 Feb 94 23:07:47 +0100 Received: from tubvm.cs.tu-berlin.de by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de with SMTP id AA29168 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4(mail.m4[1.12]) for <@MAIL.CS.TU-BERLIN.DE:Schoepf@SC.ZIB-BERLIN.DE>); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 23:07:45 +0100 Message-Id: <199402022207.AA29168@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de> Received: from TUBVM.CS.TU-BERLIN.DE by tubvm.cs.tu-berlin.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0957; Wed, 02 Feb 94 23:07:40 +0200 Received: from VM.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (NJE origin MAILER@DHDURZ1) by TUBVM.CS.TU-BERLIN.DE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0956; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 23:07:40 +0200 Received: from VM.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (NJE origin LISTSERV@DHDURZ1) by VM.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9192; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 23:07:10 +0000 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 22:06:00 +0000 From: Paul Taylor Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: "No file Ueuf.fd" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1411 Every LaTeX user knows that the message No file paper.aux is unimportant - it will be followed by "there are unresolved references" and later go away. The message No file Ueuf.fd is more serious. It actually means that a lot of formulae will come out as garbage. But LaTeX2e passes over this error as if it didn't matter. (Yes, I know that this happenned because I'd forgotten to add nfss2 to my TEXINPUTS, but that's not the point.) I suggest that \try@load@fontshape should (1) try another encoding, maybe U (2) make up the \DeclareFontShape command according to some standard encoding, such as simply cmrbxit10 for bold italic. Then at least the error will show up when the TFM file is not found, so that it's apparent that something to do with fonts is missing. "the user will get a TeX error message" So what's wrong with that? After each \font command you can test whether what you've got is \nullfont and substitute something else, and give a more informative LaTeX message. Paul PS Frank, rest assured, we are VERY grateful for LaTeX2e. I fully appreciate that it drives you nuts, with long days of work and lots of complaints. But I'd like to point out that the previous situation, with at least two versions of LaTeX in circulation, was driving a lot of other people nuts. I, like a number of people on this list, am supposed to be doing academic research, and got involved in this kind of thing because I was stupid enough to let other people know that I knew how to drive TeX (not to mention the C compiler). Incompatibility wastes the time of a LOT of people, not just that of the author of the software. However, whereas public discussion (of which you have to take the brunt) leads to some effect on the standard version, the time local TeX wizzards spend goes straight down the drain. If all we wanted was "to make TeX do such and such" we could get in there and do it for ourselves. It is because we look after other users (in many cases with no renumeration and, like you, getting only abuse in return), and have some respect for a common standard and the people who are maintaining it that we get involved in this discussion.