X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1212" "Mon" "31" "January" "1994" "15:09:33" "LCL" "Mike Piff" "M.Piff@sheffield.ac.uk" "<199401311519.AA14297@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de>" "29" "Re: form and content" "^Date:" nil nil "1" "1994013115:09:33" "form and content" nil nil]) Return-Path: Received: from sc.ZIB-Berlin.DE (mailserv) by dagobert.ZIB-Berlin.DE (4.1/SMI-4.0/24.6.93) id AA21052; Mon, 31 Jan 94 16:20:28 +0100 Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de by sc.ZIB-Berlin.DE (4.1/SMI-4.0-sc/03.06.93) id AA03523; Mon, 31 Jan 94 16:19:26 +0100 Received: from tubvm.cs.tu-berlin.de by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de with SMTP id AA14297 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4(mail.m4[1.12]) for <@MAIL.CS.TU-BERLIN.DE:Schoepf@SC.ZIB-BERLIN.DE>); Mon, 31 Jan 1994 16:19:23 +0100 Message-Id: <199401311519.AA14297@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de> Received: from TUBVM.CS.TU-BERLIN.DE by tubvm.cs.tu-berlin.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7719; Mon, 31 Jan 94 16:19:20 +0200 Received: from VM.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (NJE origin MAILER@DHDURZ1) by TUBVM.CS.TU-BERLIN.DE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 7718; Mon, 31 Jan 1994 16:19:20 +0200 Received: from VM.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (NJE origin LISTSERV@DHDURZ1) by VM.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9000; Mon, 31 Jan 1994 16:18:48 +0000 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 15:09:33 LCL From: Mike Piff Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: form and content Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1362 From: David Carlisle %> %>> I don't agree! %>> ... %>> A clear distinction is made between the environment center and the %>> "declaration" \centering. %> %>That is because they are different. %> %>\begin{centering} ... \end{centering} %> %>is equivalent to {\centering ... } but doesnt centre the `...' as no %>\par is in the scope of the declaration. %> %>the center environment would centre the .. as it is a list %>environment (with one item) and so adds an implicit \par at the end. %> I agree with your diagnosis, but the point is that if {\foo...} was meant to give the same effect as \begin{foo}...\end{foo} then it was churlish not to compare and contrast the centering and center environments at this point. Indeed p111 confuses things even more by refering to the centering environment center! However, that takes us away from the point of the discussion. Mike %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %% Dr M J Piff, School of Mathematics and Statistics, University of %% %% Sheffield, UK. e-mail: M.Piff@sheffield.ac.uk %% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%