X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["880" "Fri" "28" "January" "1994" "11:35:59" "GMT" "Philip TAYLOR" "CHAA006@VAX.RHBNC.AC.UK" "<199401281142.AA08297@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de>" "17" "Re: form and content" "^Date:" nil nil "1" "1994012811:35:59" "form and content" (number " " mark " Philip TAYLOR Jan 28 17/880 " thread-indent "\"Re: form and content\"\n") nil]) Return-Path: Received: from sc.ZIB-Berlin.DE (mailserv) by dagobert.ZIB-Berlin.DE (4.1/SMI-4.0/24.6.93) id AA14363; Fri, 28 Jan 94 12:43:09 +0100 Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de by sc.ZIB-Berlin.DE (4.1/SMI-4.0-sc/03.06.93) id AA09846; Fri, 28 Jan 94 12:42:14 +0100 Received: from tubvm.cs.tu-berlin.de by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de with SMTP id AA08297 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4(mail.m4[1.12]) for <@MAIL.CS.TU-BERLIN.DE:Schoepf@SC.ZIB-BERLIN.DE>); Fri, 28 Jan 1994 12:42:11 +0100 Message-Id: <199401281142.AA08297@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de> Received: from TUBVM.CS.TU-BERLIN.DE by tubvm.cs.tu-berlin.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1697; Fri, 28 Jan 94 12:42:11 +0200 Received: from VM.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (NJE origin MAILER@DHDURZ1) by TUBVM.CS.TU-BERLIN.DE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1696; Fri, 28 Jan 1994 12:42:11 +0200 Received: from VM.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (NJE origin LISTSERV@DHDURZ1) by VM.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3809; Fri, 28 Jan 1994 12:41:48 +0000 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 11:35:59 GMT From: Philip TAYLOR Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Subject: Re: form and content Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1339 This must be a unique occasion; I don't think I've _ever_ agreed with Mike Piff before! But when he writes: > Some thoughts on what should go between \begin{document} and \end{document}. > This is a problem that has troubled me greatly over the years I have used > LaTeX. I am coming more and more to the conclusion that *only* commands that > the user defines in the preamble should be used between \begin{document} and > \end{document}. I complete concur: in fact, this is exactly the style of markup which I teach to first-time Plain TeX users, and which I strongly encourage them to continue to use as they become more and more advanced. I teach them to mark up a TeX document, \stress {using their own terms}, and only then teach them how to implement their chosen markup through the medium of TeX macros. Philip Taylor, RHBNC.