X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1029" "Mon" "20" "December" "93" "13:34:22" "+0100" "Frank Mittelbach" "MITTELBACH@mzdmza.zdv.uni-mainz.de" nil "25" "Re: ***COMPLETELY UNFOUNDED***" "^Date:" nil nil "12" nil nil]) Return-Path: Received: from sc.ZIB-Berlin.DE (mailserv) by dagobert.ZIB-Berlin.DE (4.1/SMI-4.0/24.6.93) id AA16047; Tue, 21 Dec 93 06:54:44 +0100 Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de by sc.ZIB-Berlin.DE (4.1/SMI-4.0-sc/03.06.93) id AA01950; Tue, 21 Dec 93 06:54:42 +0100 Received: from tubvm.cs.tu-berlin.de by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de with SMTP id AA00565 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4(mail.m4[1.12]) for <@MAIL.CS.TU-BERLIN.DE:Schoepf@SC.ZIB-BERLIN.DE>); Tue, 21 Dec 1993 06:54:40 +0100 Message-Id: <199312210554.AA00565@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de> Received: from TUBVM.CS.TU-BERLIN.DE by tubvm.cs.tu-berlin.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7935; Tue, 21 Dec 93 06:55:10 +0200 Received: from VM.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (NJE origin MAILER@DHDURZ1) by TUBVM.CS.TU-BERLIN.DE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 7934; Tue, 21 Dec 1993 06:55:10 +0200 Received: from DHDURZ1 (NJE origin LISTSERV@DHDURZ1) by VM.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4815; Mon, 20 Dec 1993 13:40:24 +0000 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Date: Mon, 20 Dec 93 13:34:22 +0100 From: Frank Mittelbach Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple Recipients of Subject: Re: ***COMPLETELY UNFOUNDED*** Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1224 Subj: ***COMPLETELY UNFOUNDED*** > > No evidence for the oft repeated thesis that one should not > mix LaTeX with TeX primitives. Larry, I can't agree with you here. your mail was good evidence for this thesis: it was a typical case of using \hbox versus \mbox \vbox versus \parbox with the result that important initialisations are missing. of course it is possible to mix plain and LaTeX; however it requires good knowldge and it usually is only correct for the direct application. But, and this is the important part, other people then use this ``nice solution'' in other places and the system falls over. Then there follow the complaints that LaTeX is soooo infexible you can't even use plain commands in it. But in most cases this is rubbish because a) the problem could have been solved using latex constructs and b) there is no system in the work that you can't kill that way (just because GNU emcas is written in C it doesn't follow that you can stick C source into the emacs lisp reader, does it?) cheer Frank