X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["2188" "Mon" "13" "December" "93" "09:13:25" "MST" "Grant Gustafson" "gustafso@MATH.UTAH.EDU" nil "46" "RE: ideas for floats" "^Date:" nil nil "12"]) Return-Path: Received: from sc.ZIB-Berlin.DE (mailserv) by dagobert.ZIB-Berlin.DE (4.1/SMI-4.0/24.6.93) id AA25129; Mon, 13 Dec 93 21:00:42 +0100 Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de by sc.ZIB-Berlin.DE (4.1/SMI-4.0-sc/03.06.93) id AA10023; Mon, 13 Dec 93 21:00:02 +0100 Received: from tubvm.cs.tu-berlin.de by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de with SMTP id AA03125 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4(mail.m4[1.12]) for <@MAIL.CS.TU-BERLIN.DE:Schoepf@SC.ZIB-BERLIN.DE>); Mon, 13 Dec 1993 20:59:51 +0100 Message-Id: <199312131959.AA03125@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de> Received: from TUBVM.CS.TU-BERLIN.DE by tubvm.cs.tu-berlin.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0014; Mon, 13 Dec 93 21:00:25 +0200 Received: from VM.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (NJE origin MAILER@DHDURZ1) by TUBVM.CS.TU-BERLIN.DE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0012; Mon, 13 Dec 1993 21:00:25 +0200 Received: from DHDURZ1 (NJE origin LISTSERV@DHDURZ1) by VM.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0940; Mon, 13 Dec 1993 20:57:25 +0000 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Date: Mon, 13 Dec 93 09:13:25 MST From: Grant Gustafson Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple Recipients of Subject: RE: ideas for floats Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1202 > Whilst I may not agree ... omitted a most important desideratum: that > of placing a float so that it is visible from its point of reference, > \stress {even if that means placing the figure on the page _preceding_ > the point of reference}. Which is a verbose way of saying that LaTeX > should take the spread as its basic element of layout rather than the page, > at least for `book'-like document classes. > Philip Taylor, RHBNC. Agreed. There are many styles possible for a book and a popular style is to place figures to be visible from the point of ref. Basically, a "page" in book style refers to the left and right leaves when a book is opened flat, even though there are two page numbers involved and the "page" is physically printed on two pieces of paper. If this is the "spread" then agreement is reached. Perhaps there is some agreement then that a figure should not appear before its page (or "spread") of reference (i.e., we do not flip backwards to find the figure). However, pages full of floating figures are very common, and they are expected to follow a reference, best on that page, but at worst on the next. It is generally unacceptable in a book to flip pages forward to locate a figure, but sometimes it is unavoidable and examples are easy to find. There is also the style that disallows a figure to physically appear before its reference, even on the top of that page. I didn't make up this style but observe that it is entrenched and LaTeX should be able to perform that minor feat. The style that disallows figures before a reference also disallows a figure that is not referenced (ala bibtex rules) and figures are to appear at the bottom of the page of reference or at the top of the next page or on a page of floats (immediately). Again, this is a style that is entrenched and I am not trying to sell it or defend it but rather to recognize its existence. -Grant *================================* | Grant B. Gustafson | | 113 JWB, Dept Math, U. of Utah | | Salt Lake City, UT 84112 | | (801) 581-6879 | | email: gustafso@math.utah.edu | *================================*