X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1507" "Mon" "8" "November" "93" "09:24:07" "-0700" "Michal Jaegermann" "michal@GORTEL.PHYS.UALBERTA.CA" nil "28" "Re: the name NFSS" "^Date:" nil nil "11"]) Return-Path: Received: from sc.ZIB-Berlin.DE (mailserv) by dagobert.ZIB-Berlin.DE (4.1/SMI-4.0/24.6.93) id AA07415; Mon, 8 Nov 93 19:17:17 +0100 Received: from vm.urz.Uni-Heidelberg.de (vm.hd-net.uni-heidelberg.de) by sc.ZIB-Berlin.DE (4.1/SMI-4.0-sc/03.06.93) id AA08354; Mon, 8 Nov 93 19:17:14 +0100 Message-Id: <9311081817.AA08354@sc.ZIB-Berlin.DE> Received: from DHDURZ1 by vm.urz.Uni-Heidelberg.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1070; Mon, 08 Nov 93 19:15:54 CET Received: from DHDURZ1 by DHDURZ1 (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4352; Mon, 08 Nov 93 19:15:45 CET Received: from DHDURZ1 by DHDURZ1 (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4350; Mon, 08 Nov 93 19:15:42 CET Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project In-Reply-To: <93Nov8.075256mst.95582@relay.Phys.UAlberta.Ca>; from "Jiri Zlatuska" at Nov 8, 93 7:37 am Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 09:24:07 -0700 From: Michal Jaegermann Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple Recipients of Subject: Re: the name NFSS Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1112 I can sympathize with Michael Gossens (sp?) in his fight with VM/CMS system and its ancient flat file structure. It is not that entirely flat, since it can be subdived to "disks". Still better than MTS - for example. But if we will start to prefix anything with anything we will soon have eight character prefixes (and we have accommodate case-insensitive file names). I think that such approach is a blind alley and leads only to troubles described eloquently by Paul Taylor. Ok, now NFSS2 is a kind of a "specialty solution", but LaTeX2e is supposed to be THE LaTeX. What a used does when trying to re-run an old document saying 'helv' in options when 'nfhelv' is now expected? S/he grabs an ancient 'helv.sty' from wherever is deemed to be a good place and complaints loudly that something is broken. What a sysadmin does faced with such prospect? Clings for her/his dear life to an ancient system which "always worked" and disregards "all these crazy TeX hackers". As for VM/CMS problems. Michael has at least this advantage over MS-DOS that he has eight, not three, characters in a filename suffix to his disposal and three part file names. Maybe it is possible to use that in an absence of slightly saner file system? Rumours about TeX on Un*x suffering long startup times from a "deep" file structure are obsolete for quite some time. I know that first hand from practice on various machines (even with a Un*x-like systems, like Uglix and HP-UX). But this is a side issue. Michal