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Date:         Wed, 3 Nov 93 10:18:35 -0700
From: Michal Jaegermann <michal@GORTEL.PHYS.UALBERTA.CA>
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Subject:      Re: I do not like 'nf' in style names
Status: R


It looks like I touched some nerve.  This otherwise dead discussion
list all of sudden came alive. :-)

Before I will get too much advice how to "fix" things for myself:

  -  Yes, I know how to do it.

  -  Yes, I am aware that 'times.sty', which includes 'nftimes.sty',
     is in the current distribution of NFSS2.  BUT - like I mentioned
     in my original message - if you will try to use it it will raise
     a lot of stink and it will threaten do disapper in not so distant
     future.  I you would be just "plain user", wouldn't you feel
     somewhat intimidated by all of this?

   - Yes, you can be sure that on my personal machine (Unix) 'times.sty'
     in no time at all will become a link to 'nftimes.sty', BUT this
     is a "hacker" solution and it will require an extra attention
     during future updates.  This is NO solution for many users, which
     just want reasonably working system with a somewhat predicatable
     behaviour.  As a matter of fact, quite a few organizations have
     a policy which explicitely forbids, and with good reasons, such
     tampering with a software.

   - Yes, I know how to use sed, awk and perl, and use them extensively.
     I am not sure, though, how to use awk on some VM/CMS machine
     around.  I know for a fact, that some people who may receive
     my files wouldn't be able to tell a difference between awk and
     koala, even if you would hit them on a head with these.

   - No, unfortunately I do not have much to say in a matter of choice
     of filenames.  I may start a discussion, though. :-)

I am not so concerned with getting things to work for me, but with a
general policy, now and in a future.  I used 'times.sty' in my
original message, since it is used widely enough and changes in its
name are sure to affect quite a few users.  If you want an exercise,
you may try to invent a six letter name for a style using as a basic
font URWAntiquaT-Regular followed by a similar exercises for various
fonts from Monotype.  Eight letters is bad enough already.

Please, when quoting responses to my original message, do not edit
them so they say "Michal Jaegermann writes:" followed by not mine
words.

So far nobody offered a pointer to 'mathtime.sty' for NFSS2 - whatever
its official new name.  Does that means that such beast does not exist
yet?

  Michal
  michal@gortel.phys.ualberta.ca
  ntomczak@vm.ucs.ualberta.ca