X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1661" "Tue" "8" "December" "92" "08:01:13" "EST" "\"CSD David F. Fordyce\"" "fordyce@BRL.MIL" nil "39" "Re: LaTeX 3 and bibliographic software" "^Date:" nil nil "12"]) Return-Path: Received: from sc.ZIB-Berlin.DE (serv01) by dagobert.ZIB-Berlin.DE (4.1/SMI-4.0/1.9.92 ) id AA03838; Tue, 8 Dec 92 14:04:34 +0100 Received: from vm.urz.Uni-Heidelberg.de (vm.hd-net.uni-heidelberg.de) by sc.ZIB-Berlin.DE (4.0/SMI-4.0-sc/19.6.92) id AA06310; Tue, 8 Dec 92 14:04:30 +0100 Message-Id: <9212081304.AA06310@sc.zib-berlin.dbp.de> Received: from DHDURZ1 by vm.urz.Uni-Heidelberg.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4497; Tue, 08 Dec 92 14:04:59 CET Received: from DHDURZ1 by DHDURZ1 (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0235; Tue, 08 Dec 92 14:04:56 CET Received: from DHDURZ1 by DHDURZ1 (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0233; Tue, 08 Dec 92 14:04:53 CET Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Date: Tue, 8 Dec 92 08:01:13 EST From: "CSD David F. Fordyce" Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple Recipients of Subject: Re: LaTeX 3 and bibliographic software Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 902 G'day, This is in reply to David Rhead's note of 7 Dec 92 about using BibTeX and other packages such as ProCite, Reference Manager, etc. While I am sure BibTeX is a fine product, I personally use Tib. IMNSHO, Tib has it all over BibTeX. Tib is much easier to use, and is more flexible. Tib is already tailored for TeX and LaTeX, and is free, like BibTeX. Tib requires no accomodation for including citation references in things like figure captions (like \protect). And if you're smart about how you choose your keywords, Tib can act like a database sorter. Having fought the Word Imperfect vs. LaTeX wars here, I can attest as to how hard it is to change someone's mind once they are used to a "name" for a word processor, etc. I believe that this will be the case also with people who are used to using the commercial packages Mr. Rhead cites. The LaTeX community needs to give people sound reasons for switching from a purchased product with a "name" to publically supported typesetting. So the upshot for attracting new LaTeX users is to either make LaTeX easier to use than its competition, or to give numerous features that other packages do not have. Making a bibliography package easier to use with LaTeX can only enhance its competitiveness. One other thought. I have noticed a number of journals now accepting TeX and LaTeX for publication purposes. Contacting them could be an avenue for influencing the commercial vendors of bibliographic software to develop products that are TeX/LaTeX friendly. If there is a market for it, SW vendors will usually try to address the need. Just my $0.02 worth, df