X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1905" "Fri" "4" "December" "92" "13:58:38" "BST" "CHAA006@VAX.RHBNC.AC.UK" "CHAA006@VAX.RHBNC.AC.UK" nil "38" "RE: accents" "^Date:" nil nil "12"]) Return-Path: Received: from sc.ZIB-Berlin.DE (serv01) by dagobert.ZIB-Berlin.DE (4.1/SMI-4.0/1.9.92 ) id AA15628; Fri, 4 Dec 92 15:00:06 +0100 Received: from vm.urz.Uni-Heidelberg.de (vm.hd-net.uni-heidelberg.de) by sc.ZIB-Berlin.DE (4.0/SMI-4.0-sc/19.6.92) id AA01768; Fri, 4 Dec 92 14:59:58 +0100 Message-Id: <9212041359.AA01768@sc.zib-berlin.dbp.de> Received: from DHDURZ1 by vm.urz.Uni-Heidelberg.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1718; Fri, 04 Dec 92 15:00:29 CET Received: from DHDURZ1 by DHDURZ1 (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7643; Fri, 04 Dec 92 15:00:24 CET Received: from DHDURZ1 by DHDURZ1 (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7641; Fri, 04 Dec 92 15:00:21 CET Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Date: Fri, 4 Dec 92 13:58:38 BST From: CHAA006@VAX.RHBNC.AC.UK Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project To: Multiple Recipients of Subject: RE: accents Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 897 Paul Taylor, in referring to Bernard Gaulle's message, cited: > Do we consider that we need to change a well known environment syntax for > an obsolate manner of inputing accented letters? In few years (i hope) > nobody will use the old Knuth manner for putting diacritics and everybody > will input (at least) 8bits chars and then we will discuss about the 32bits > notation... and replied: > I completely disagree. > I accept that English-language cultural imperialism was the root cause of > this problem, but SEVEN BIT ASCII is the standard, and will remain so for > the forseeable future. (Largely because of IBM's usual spanner-in-the-works > approach to standards, and the use of EARN/BITNET networks, eg for this list) > it's difficult enough to be sure of the existing full 96 characters in that. But 8-bit ASCII is no longer the standard \stress {for the TeX world}. Because of Knuth's 8-bit changes for TeX V3+, and because of the working group which produced the Cork standard, we now have an 8-bit standard for TeX. For obvious reasons it cannot meet the needs of all nations (it is already doubtful whether a 16-bit character set will meet such needs), but it does meet the needs of the majority of European users. As each character has an alternative (hex) representation, there is no reason why EBCDIC and/or gateways need cause problems: by adopting the convention, all 256 characters can be represented in a form that is logically ('though not practically) immune to mapping problems. It is a sad fact of life that the very character needed (default = ) is itself one of the EBCDIC/ gateway problem characters. None the less, for languages other than those dealt with by the Cork standard, Paul is surely correct in saying that the old \'e mechanism must still be invoked. Philip Taylor, RHBNC/